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#1 Plutonas

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:02 AM


"It was ballpark speculation at the time based on what we had eyeballed at the event, but the final GPU is indeed a close match to the 4650/4670, albeit with a deficit in the number of texture-mapping units and a lower clock speed – 550MHz. AMD’s RV770 hardware is well documented so with these numbers we can now, categorically, finally rule out any next-gen pretensions for the Wii U – the GCN hardware in Durango and Orbis is in a completely different league.
All of which may lead some to wonder quite why many of the Wii U ports disappoint – especially Black Ops 2, which appears to have been derived from the Xbox 360 version, running more slowly even at the same 880×720 sub-hd resolution
While there’s still room for plenty of debate about the Wii U hardware, the core fundamentals are now in place and effectively we have something approaching a full spec. It took an extraordinary effort to get this far and you may be wondering quite why it took a reverse engineering specialist using ultra-magnification photography to get this information, when we already know the equivalent data for Durango and Orbis. The answer is fairly straightforward – leaks tend to derive from development kit and SDK documentation and, as we understand it, this crucial information simply wasn’t available in Nintendo’s papers, with developers essentially left to their own devices to figure out the performance level of the hardware."

http://mynintendonew...ions-for-wii-u/


here it comes! hehehehe

Edited by Orion, 05 February 2013 - 11:03 AM.


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:06 AM

Again?!?!?!?

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

its funny, the reverse engineering specialist they DONT GIVE ANY CREDIT TO has called them out for being full of carp.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:13 AM

its funny, the reverse engineering specialist they DONT GIVE ANY CREDIT TO has called them out for being full of carp.

Nintendo is not full of crap. If anyone is its Micro$oft.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:16 AM

Nintendo is not full of crap. If anyone is its Micro$oft.


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You arent very good at this 'communication' thing, are you?

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#6 Alex Wolfers

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:18 AM

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You arent very good at this 'communication' thing, are you?

Im just stating that Nintendo rarley screws anyone over. But Micro$oft hibitualy does.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:29 AM

ANYWAYS Jim Morrison, qualified educated CREDENTIAL LOADED reverse engineering specialist df refused to give credit to this is his response to the silly pony parade:

"1. This GPU is custom.
2. If it was based on ATI/AMD or a
Radeon-like design, the chip would carry
die marks to reflect that. Everybody has to
recognize the licensing. It has none. Only
Renesas name which is a former unit of
NEC.
3. This chip is fabricated in a 40 nm
advanced CMOS process at TSMC and is
not low tech
4. For reference sake, the Apple A6 is
fabricated in a 32 nm CMOS process and is
also designed from scratch. It’s
manufacturing costs, in volumes of 100k or
more, about $26 - $30 a pop. Over 16
months degrade to about $15 each
a. Wii U only represents like 30M units per
annum vs iPhone which is more like 100M
units per annum. Put things in perspective.
5. This Wii U GPU costs more than that by
about $20-$40 bucks each making it a very
expensive piece of kit. Combine that with
the IBM CPU and the Flash chip all on the
same package and this whole thing is closer
to $100 a piece when you add it all up
6. The Wii U main processor package is a
very impressive piece of hardware when its
said and done.
Trust me on this. It may not have water
cooling and heat sinks the size of a
brownie, but its one slick piece of silicon.
eDRAM is not cheap to make. That is why
not everybody does it. Cause its so dam
expensive"

Edited by 3Dude, 05 February 2013 - 11:31 AM.

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#8 Alex Wolfers

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:31 AM

ANYWAYS Jim Morrison, qualidied educated CREDENTIAL LOADED reverse engineering specialist df refused to give credit to in response to the silly pony parade:

"1. This GPU is custom.
2. If it was based on ATI/AMD or a
Radeon-like design, the chip would carry
die marks to reflect that. Everybody has to
recognize the licensing. It has none. Only
Renesas name which is a former unit of
NEC.
3. This chip is fabricated in a 40 nm
advanced CMOS process at TSMC and is
not low tech
4. For reference sake, the Apple A6 is
fabricated in a 32 nm CMOS process and is
also designed from scratch. It’s
manufacturing costs, in volumes of 100k or
more, about $26 - $30 a pop. Over 16
months degrade to about $15 each
a. Wii U only represents like 30M units per
annum vs iPhone which is more like 100M
units per annum. Put things in perspective.
5. This Wii U GPU costs more than that by
about $20-$40 bucks each making it a very
expensive piece of kit. Combine that with
the IBM CPU and the Flash chip all on the
same package and this whole thing is closer
to $100 a piece when you add it all up
6. The Wii U main processor package is a
very impressive piece of hardware when its
said and done.
Trust me on this. It may not have water
cooling and heat sinks the size of a
brownie, but its one slick piece of silicon.
eDRAM is not cheap to make. That is why
not everybody does it. Cause its so dam
expensive"

Sounds like a disgruntled employee.

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#9 Crispy Bacon

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:34 AM

Way to go, DF. Another example of crap journalism.
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#10 3Dude

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:40 AM

Sounds like a disgruntled employee.


Are you a joke account? Because im finding it EXTREMELY hard to believe any real person could be this dense.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:49 AM

Are you a joke account? Because im finding it EXTREMELY hard to believe any real person could be this dense.

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Way to go, DF. Another example of crap journalism.

Agree. BTW I love the AVGN banner you have.

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#12 Crispy Bacon

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

BTW I love the AVGN banner you have.


Thanks!
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#13 Majarra

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:55 AM

no surprise considering the wiiu is a 7 year old console

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:59 AM

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Agree. BTW I love the AVGN banner you have.


Holy crap you are stupid. Theres just no way to soften that. Its just the definition of the word, as it was meant to be used.

You dont even have the slightest clue what the words you are responding to mean, but merely react on a instinctual fanboy instinct, to defend nintendo, without even remotely comprehending what you respond to, AND CONSTANTLY ATTACK INFORMATION THAT BENEFITS NINTENDO IN BLIND MORONIC ATTEMPTS TO DEFEND NINTENDO.

Holy.
crap.

no surprise considering the wiiu is a 7 year old console


Oh joy, now we get the exact same amount of completely blind stupid from the other side. Yay!

Edited by 3Dude, 05 February 2013 - 12:02 PM.

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#15 The Lonely Koopa

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:03 PM

well this thread is going places.....dark places..

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:05 PM

Oh joy, now we get the exact same amount of completely blind stupid from the other side. Yay!

well its as powerful as one lol

well its as powerful as one lol

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:07 PM

well its as powerful as one lol

well its as powerful as one lol

I suggest you don't make 3dude mad especially if you have no idea what you are talking about.

Edited by The Lonely Koopa, 05 February 2013 - 12:07 PM.


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:07 PM

well its as powerful as one lol
well its as powerful as one lol


No.

"1. This GPU is custom.
2. If it was based on ATI/AMD or a
Radeon-like design, the chip would carry
die marks to reflect that. Everybody has to
recognize the licensing. It has none. Only
Renesas name which is a former unit of
NEC.
3. This chip is fabricated in a 40 nm
advanced CMOS process at TSMC and is
not low tech
4. For reference sake, the Apple A6 is
fabricated in a 32 nm CMOS process and is
also designed from scratch. It’s
manufacturing costs, in volumes of 100k or
more, about $26 - $30 a pop. Over 16
months degrade to about $15 each
a. Wii U only represents like 30M units per
annum vs iPhone which is more like 100M
units per annum. Put things in perspective.
5. This Wii U GPU costs more than that by
about $20-$40 bucks each making it a very
expensive piece of kit. Combine that with
the IBM CPU and the Flash chip all on the
same package and this whole thing is closer
to $100 a piece when you add it all up
6. The Wii U main processor package is a
very impressive piece of hardware when its
said and done.
Trust me on this. It may not have water
cooling and heat sinks the size of a
brownie, but its one slick piece of silicon.
eDRAM is not cheap to make. That is why
not everybody does it. Cause its so dam
expensive"

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#19 Majarra

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:48 PM

No.

"1. This GPU is custom.
2. If it was based on ATI/AMD or a
Radeon-like design, the chip would carry
die marks to reflect that. Everybody has to
recognize the licensing. It has none. Only
Renesas name which is a former unit of
NEC.
3. This chip is fabricated in a 40 nm
advanced CMOS process at TSMC and is
not low tech
4. For reference sake, the Apple A6 is
fabricated in a 32 nm CMOS process and is
also designed from scratch. It’s
manufacturing costs, in volumes of 100k or
more, about $26 - $30 a pop. Over 16
months degrade to about $15 each
a. Wii U only represents like 30M units per
annum vs iPhone which is more like 100M
units per annum. Put things in perspective.
5. This Wii U GPU costs more than that by
about $20-$40 bucks each making it a very
expensive piece of kit. Combine that with
the IBM CPU and the Flash chip all on the
same package and this whole thing is closer
to $100 a piece when you add it all up
6. The Wii U main processor package is a
very impressive piece of hardware when its
said and done.
Trust me on this. It may not have water
cooling and heat sinks the size of a
brownie, but its one slick piece of silicon.
eDRAM is not cheap to make. That is why
not everybody does it. Cause its so dam
expensive"

tell that to the oodles of thirdparty developers who still deem wiiu unworthy ;P

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:53 PM

tell that to the oodles of thirdparty developers who still deem wiiu unworthy ;P


Which 3rd party devs have said that, specifically?




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