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[Dough]

PCs are problematic. Blue screens and crashes,expensive,Virus prone even with protection,not user friendly,the list goes on.

you must be a n00b

[Alex Wolfers]

you must be a n00b

Classic comeback but epic fail.

[Dough]

Classic comeback but epic fail.

explain

[Alex Wolfers]

explain

Explain how long you have been gaming first.

[UnholyVision]

I wasnt talking quantity. 90% of the top games of all time arent console games because there were no pc games, its because they were just better than most pc games, despite being on inferior hardware.

And this is coming from a pc gamer. I played system shock when it came out. I beat a bards tale. I STILL HAVE A RUNNING DAGGERFALL FILE (transferred it to my phone XD).

I can count hundreds of quality games that even ran on early DOS and yes a lot of quality. The only problem was you had to dig the supposed gems out of the rough as there were so many games laying around on the shelves while the console department in stores were so slim in comparison. PC just didn't have those crazy Nintendo power glove style advertisements so a lot of games were bought by word of mouth. I remember going in game related shops all the time getting this PC game or that one promoted to me via a sells clerk. I even bought some nice adventure games because of them.

To me it sounds like your personal preference back then was oriented into more of console related games. I will say I own quiet a few myself, but by far do I own more (Edit: Computer I mean early Apple, Dos, to even Windows 98/SE. Fun fact Apples use to actually have grand hardware in them & you would literally use a Windows OS on them to take advantage of that) computer games than all consoles from Atari to the SNES in that time frame. My personal preference has always been geared towards the PC in gaming and I have skipped plenty of console games as they looked as you sort of put it less in quality. Sure many may not be on some world renown top ten list put up based off someone personal preference, but what does that matter? It is all about what you enjoy and if you enjoyed console games more so be it & a so called top list of all time games should not tell you what was good or bad.

Edited by UnholyVision, 12 February 2013 - 03:18 PM.

[3Dude]

I can count hundreds of quality games that even ran on early DOS and yes a lot of quality. The only problem was you had to dig the supposed gems out of the rough as there were so many games laying around on the shelves while the console department in stores were so slim in comparison. PC just didn't have those crazy Nintendo power glove style advertisements so a lot of games were bought by word of mouth. I remember going in game related shops all the time getting this PC game or that one promoted to me via a sells clerk. I even bought some nice adventure games because of them.
To me it sounds like your personal preference back then was oriented into more of console related games. I will say I own quiet a few myself, but by far do I own more (Edit: Computer I mean early Apple, Dos, to even Windows 98/SE. Fun fact Apples use to actually have grand hardware in them & you would literally use a Windows OS on them to take advantage of that) computer games than all consoles from Atari to the SNES in that time frame. My personal preference has always been geared towards the PC in gaming and I have skipped plenty of console games as they looked as you sort of put it less in quality. Sure many may not be on some world renown top ten list put up based off someone personal preference, but what does that matter? It is all about what you enjoy and if you enjoyed console games more so be it & a so called top list of all time games should not tell you what was good or bad.

Well I consider the c64 and amiga consoles rather than pc's... But i dont think thats what you are talking about.

Im not saying the pc's didnt have great games, they just werent as great or numerous as the ones on consoles.... Which is why they are consistantly heavily outnumbered (though always present) on top games of all time lists. And its not just one list, but... All of them.

[UnholyVision]

Well I consider the c64 and amiga consoles rather than pc's... But i dont think thats what you are talking about.

Im not saying the pc's didnt have great games, they just werent as great or numerous as the ones on consoles.... Which is why they are consistantly heavily outnumbered (though always present) on top games of all time lists. And its not just one list, but... All of them.

I don't consider them PC's per se back then as you could not totally customize them like you can now, hinting the name, "Personal Computer". Though it was a home computer none the less, as the Commodore 64 even had office orient software so how is this a game console? Being as it was far more than just game oriented.

I know what your saying, but that boils down to your tastes in games. What one considers quality is to the persons liking. For example, you can think Halo is a wonderful series of quality, where I think it is a game with low quality. Meaning a heavy number of top games lists saying other wise to your own liking does not change personal taste of what you considered a quality game. It is not like the PC was getting incomplete games where you couldn't even finish them, where as the console was getting complete games (or vise verse). Sure, if that was the case we could say quality in general would be something to look at.

Edited by UnholyVision, 12 February 2013 - 06:55 PM.

[3Dude]

I don't consider them PC's per se back then as you could not totally customize them like you can now, hinting the name, "Personal Computer". Though it was a home computer none the less, as the Commodore 64 even had office orient software so how is this a game console? Being as it was far more than just game oriented.
I know what your saying, but that boils down to your tastes in games. What one considers quality is to the persons liking. For example, you can think Halo is a wonderful series of quality, where I think it is a game with low quality. Meaning a heavy number of top games lists saying other wise to your own liking does not change personal taste of what you considered a quality game. It is not like the PC was getting incomplete games where you couldn't even finish them, where as the console was getting complete games (or vise verse). Sure, if that was the case we could say quality in general would be something to look at.

The famicom also had office software, as well as basic, and a modem which could be used to track bank account transactions and other nongaming applications.

Of course its subjective, thats why i put my personal opinion aside and objectively look at the opinions of the community at large.

Console games dominate all of the lists...

Because they were cheaper, inferior machines, that required creativity and addictive fun to overcome those shortcomings. Consoles were on top because they had the up and coming generation of the people who would start the gaming world we know today.

Its a similar situation to what we have now, except its the consoles (ps360) that have pigeonholed themselves into an anti creativity/innovation/variety rut of having to only make bloated budget AAA epics or go out of business...

And now its the pc's 'shareware' that has risen to the top releasing unique, innovative variety rich products for dirt cheap production costs (despite being more powerful than consoles). Games like minecraft, to the moon, slender or anna.

Edited by 3Dude, 13 February 2013 - 05:23 AM.

[UnholyVision]

The famicom also had office software, as well as basic, and a modem which could be used to track bank account transactions and other nongaming applications.

Of course its subjective, thats why i put my personal opinion aside and objectively look at the opinions of the community at large.
Console games dominate all of the lists...

(If I am reading anything wrong, come off in a way I do not intend to {such as possibly sound offensive}, or possibly ramble, my bad in advance. My basically 4 days of insomnia kick was horrid to only manage 2 hours of sleep yesterday after that and it is getting to me a little).
Well. yeah it had bank transaction crap, but not what I was implying though and I did forget about the banking ordeal. Which I must say in my opinion was kind of a stupid move in ways. Considering Japanese people like to actually pay everything in yen even today. Hell, debit cards are not swiped around like in the western world and used just as an ATM card really. Not that checking a status of your account is a bad thing all together, but seems kind of pointless for just that. From the view of how not many purchase much online back then (and man were some people paranoid about online shopping back in the day. Not that it is a totally bad thing, but not to much), cash is still ordeal means of purchasing stuff in Japan today, and a few other outlooks of how the world is from then & now. Only seems a little way to soon for its time to invest into such a project is all. (Shrugs)

The community at large as in this community? Because sure, this one would be oriented towards console games. I played with thousands of gamers on Quake, UT, StarSiege series, et cetera even back communities were large & still tons of communities at large subjective to said personal opinions as you like to put it. I mean that really doesn't matter in the end as you're going to have mixed results all over the interwebs. As far as lists go well yeah, usually when a developer makes a game they give the so called reviewers a select demo title so sending a game without the need to install would be ordeal for a possible better & quicker review. All money influence aside of course be it whatever platform (if it were to happen, specially interview wise. This goes to say on anything, as in beyond just gaming).

Anyway, yeah even back in the day there were plenty of fun compelling PC games with even multi-player (Not counting the lan games & lovely hundreds of people coming out for lan parties) to see thousands of players online playing. A new IP appears and there is thousands playing on it. Only problem with PC games back in the day in terms of online play was he quickness of how fast some games could die. As there was yet another grand title to debate on playing and get hooked too. Then people started heavy game modding so along comes keeping more players and coming back with some of their older games. You can't really tell me that a large community of computer based gamers to basically match that of the consoles was not there or games were not as memorable. (Eh, and some of the game prices back then geez. I remember some 70USD games in the 90's. Yet the sad part is, it seems some games today are trying to push it back to those kind of prices. Bloody hell at the price of games even like Guild Wars 2 and other MMO games when you have to pay a subscription fee on top of that on some of them). (I am sort of loosing my chain of thought and feel like I might be leading down the rambling path. Checking few more posts on here and I got to rest my blood shot eyes as they are starting to bother me so leaving it at that for now).