Rockodoodle

I have 10 retail Wii U games. If they don't release anymore, which they will, I will probably eventually own them all.

I haven't really been one to complain about the number of games though.

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actually things are getting kind of rough for silicon on insulator technology. We are reaching the physical limits of dennard scaling.

You cant scale to the molecular level with current material technology.

Thats why the ghz race ended, and we went multicore. And thanks to amdahls law, multicore also has a cap. We need more powerful individual cores again....

We need a new material technology to get back on track to the rate of improvement that was enjoyed when moores law was still in effect.

It will come.

Yeah  one they start wokring with graphene we will start  reaching  higher. But we would also start reaching the maximum possible,  probably wont start at 1 atmom thick off the bat with it though
 
 
Also i would like to note about DDR3 vs GDDR5. Not many people know this but, DDR3 when it first came out, even with its  much higher speeds  accually preformed  the same (sometimes with a unnotceable speedup) thanks to  the timings going up, sure the speed when up but thanks to all the timings going down so did the  ability to move small code changes  ihn a timly manner, which  luckily since the  timings were only small changes did not  cripple CPU's. Now Cpu's are designed to work wioth these slightly higher  timings, although its not perfect.
 
Basicly  by increasing the  speed of data, we lower timings also known as latancy. Higher speeds are great for moving large single packages of data, sure it would start slowly but since it is moving the  large data package, it would not really matter since it will be ending that much quicker.
 
 
Now comes in GDDR5 named for being used in graphic cards nearly exclusively.Great for moving textures around since they are gennerally the large files. But it comes at a price of high latancy that can cause hiccups crippleing cpu's and game mechanics. Unless the cpu has extensive changes to overcome the high latancy, i personally would go with DDR3 atm.  Sony just wants some numbers to flash in peoples faces.

It has nothing to do with losing money. Their silicon budgets for the internals of the consoles are a determinate factor for price point, they aim to make their money back some way, and the gaming market expanded by a factor of three last generation thanks to "casual gaming" so once the software library is up to snuff console makers will make their money back, except for Sony, they still haven't made their money back on PS3.

Diminishing returns isn't something that goes away because you don't believe in it. GPU makers put out high end cards for 1000s of dollars in some cases that have more shaders and more RAM than mainstream or budget cards, but all they can do is a few more frames or a higher benchmark score.

Similar to the CPU "add more GHz" then "add more cores" GPU makers are saying "add more shader cores" then "add more RAM" "wider memory bus". The problem is that more shader cores and more RAM aren't getting the same performance gains they used to, because as these systems get more complex and powerful, the graphics engines that run on them become more efficient and scalable. Meaning the engines can do more with less hardware, but having more hardware is no benefit to anyone.

Every generation would need to scale by a larger factor than the last. This generation would need to see about 100 times the last to see a  eyepopping diffrence, then the next would need 10 times that to top its last,  meaning about 1000 times its last. The next generations will be funny to see, thanks to the internet and its  infinant "wisdom"

I do the same thing. I was playing Resident Evil Revelations last night on the gamepad out on my balcony.... beautiful night here in central florida last night, light breeze, drizzle rain...

Is the door an Xbox One? It's about the same size.

 

if nextgen means paying an extra fee to play rented/used games, and having to phone home every 24 hours to ask for permission to play my games, I think I'll pass.

I brought one cos' I LOVE NINTENDO!!! The games are good too like, but NINTENDO!!! LMFAO!

Cool people enjoy this game.

8.8/10

No the Wii U is not underpowered, but Nintendo alone can't prove it isn't,even if the graphics of Retro's new game blows minds, people will still say the Wii U is weak simply because the game was produced by a first party Nintendo developer, Nintendo needs a really good looking third party game to break the perception that the Wii U is underpowered

Because of a pudgy italian plumber who has never let me down.

Because of a pudgy italian plumber who has never let me down.

Admittedly, there are a lot of market indicators that should make Nintendo worried, but, after hearing "Nintendo is dead" since the N64 days, they don't carry much weight for me.

 

Also, in regards to a refocus on Xbox One siren sounding, don't worry. If people thought that the consumer base response to the Wii U's initial presentation was bad, that is nothing compared to the ugly mess that is going on after Microsoft's conference this week.

Does Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing Transformed have some cool battle modes?

Thinking about getting this one, but I'm not sure about the game modes to play with friends..

There has been no evidence so far that the wii u is anything other than current gen performance so far. Not exactly the same I grant you but in the ballpark area. So many fantasy figures have been conjured up but that's not evidence. Evidence is based on how a console performs, what fabrication process it uses, what developers have stated, how much power it consumes and most importantly the architecture which has been x-rayed. All this evidence points to current gen performance.

Watchdogs is not an example of what the wii u is capable of because we haven't seen it. It's quite possible it will be visually similar to current gen models with extra gamepad features. That would be the expected performance level based on past games. Assasin's Creed 3 is from the same actual developers and is weaker than the ps3 and 360 versions both visually and in frame rates.

http://www.eurogamer...-wii-u-face-off

It also made minimal use of the gamepad. This time around the wii u has to do a lot more work with the gamepad which may be to the detriment of the main game detail.

Surely the time to say the wii u is more powerful than current gen is when the evidence supports it. That surely means the majority of cross platform games outperforming ps3 and 360. Currently the reverse is true. Once we have passed that milestone we can then start comparing to ps4 and xbox one.

Having a debate with you is impossible. Even if Nintendo shows you graphics that blow everything out of the water (that won't happen) you won't believe it.

And I'm sorry, Need of Speed Most Wanted is a vast improvement over the current generation. Or old whatever you want to call it.

http://www.examiner....better-graphics

Here is a link. Supporting my assessment.

The problem Nintendo didn't design the console to do these things. Wii U can do your number one, two and 4. But just not as well. Why do you think Sony and Microsoft has 8 cores and 8GB of ram? To do these things and do them well.

Nintendo should do their own thing. Come up with a unique selling point and go with it. They aren't copiers, they are innovator's.

 

Totally agree.  I don't care for most of what's in the OP's list, especially stuff like voice commands and face recognition.  To be honest, I'm not really sure what I'd want.  When I see most discussions about gaming on the internet, I feel like some old fogey who isn't with the times, but I really just don't care much about what the system does besides turn on and play games.

 

When someone says, "Do you want voice commands" etc. then I know I don't want that, but if someone were to ask me how I would improve the Wii U's OS I'm not sure what I'd say.  I really just want good games.  But, like you're saying, if Nintendo could innovate and show me something that I didn't know I needed or would really like, that would be fine.  As it is, I don't care about all the bells and whistles of the PS4 and Xbox One like sharing, video recording, multitasking and all this stuff.  

 

And the thing is, I'm not an old fogey.  I'm 27.  Am I really weird?!?!  It seems some might say that I'm a "casual gamer" but the thing is I don't see why not caring about all that extra stuff would make me a casual gamer.  Wouldn't it make me a serious gamer and non-enthusiast-of-consoles-masquerading-as-PCs?

I personally don't care about graphics. So either I have to bring a microscope out to see the little changes in graphics, or nothing has changed at all. I don't follow console specs either, but I would imagine that all 3 are roughly the same. Each with their ups and downs. 

 

 As for the console itself, it looks cool. So does the controller, slightly reminds me of the OUYA controller for some reason. But none of the games interested me. Just a bunch of currently confirmed EA, Ubisoft, and Activision games we all knew were gonna be released on it. Microsoft has never interested me because most of their first party games are just shooters. Plus One will probably have the same 3rd party support at the PS4, give or take a small amount of games. All Microsoft needs to sell me on a One is Banjo Threeie. Or some other big game that's not a shooter.

 

 I'm not on board with the "pay to play used games" idea, even though it is better than no used games at all. But there's the thing. Considering most used games retail for about $5-$10 less (if they're a recent release, older releases vary), Microsoft could very well make this the price range for playing used games. Making the idea of playing something used, practically pointless. With the exception of out of print games. Shame to see it's not offering backwards compatibility. As if I were to get a One, I'd like to try some of the games I missed out on the 360. Seems that Nintendo is the only one with backwards compatibility this gen. Great to see that DRM isn't required. But I wouldn't be surprised if EA or other devs include it in their games.

 

 Annoying to see that EA is making a partnership with Microsoft, after unjustifiably breaking their tie with Nintendo. Just goes to show that EA will always go for the "popular bro gamer" consoles. I'm not saying all gamers that game on those consoles are like that, but a large amount of them are. I'd love to see EA's reaction if the One has bad launch sales (probably not, due to it's popularity), and continues to support it. Just to show their hypocrisy and bias against Nintendo.

*sigh* Where do people get this idea that the Wii U is underpowered? It's got some great looking games on it (Nintendo Land, Need for Speed, Resident Evil, etc.), and as we should all know by now, they will only get better. The Wii U is at the beginning of it's life. I know I'm just reiterating what tons of other people have already said regarding the Wii U's power, but please, don't don't listen to everything an EA employee says.

Simple answer: YES I LOVE MY WII U