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[dragomix]

 

What do you think? Is he right? 

[Hellsing]

Spot on. Definitely agree with what he says.

[Portal]

I don't think he 100% nailed it, but he made some pretty good points that I do agree with.

[Penguin101]

I think good visuals can define a game. However people should stop getting art style and graphical enhancements mixed up. Non realistic art styles are just as awesome and just as valid to realistic art styles and depending on gameplay and story elements you have to choose wisely as a developer. 

However if the  frame rate is choppy (I don't care about 60 or 30fps, so long as it's smooth), jaggies or you get crappy draw distance (the worst offender) in a 3D game it really can take away from the immersion and willingness to suspend my disbelief.  I don't really think resolution matters until 4k TVs come out then again I'm not sure what 720p looks like on a 4k TV.

 

However in general I agree with the video

Edited by Penguin101, 07 March 2013 - 07:57 AM.

[Fig]

He does a good job of articulating the graphics don't matter argument. It may actually change some minds. I stress, SOME minds.

[Alex Wolfers]

If someone only cares about graphics than they are not true gamers. A true gamer only plays a system if the games are good. Now that's hardcore.

[Dukie]

If someone only cares about graphics than they are not true gamers. A true gamer only plays a system if the games are good. Now that's hardcore.

No it's not... that's just common knowledge. 

[Alex Wolfers]

No it's not... that's just common knowledge. 

I'm just saying if someone thinks a game is fun but refuses to play it due to the graphics then they need to rethink. Some of the funnest games ever are old or have retro graphics I.E. Minecraft or SMB3. And before you say Minecraft should be HD you must realize one of the things that make it cool is the retro look. Graphic hounds just don't know how to appreciate a game for what it's worth.

[Kao]

I'm just saying if someone thinks a game is fun but refuses to play it due to the graphics then they need to rethink. Some of the funnest games ever are old or have retro graphics I.E. Minecraft or SMB3. And before you say Minecraft should be HD you must realize one of the things that make it cool is the retro look. Graphic hounds just don't know how to appreciate a game for what it's worth.

Plus I belive theybuy For example, Calll of Duty, because it's "cool", and not because of the game itself

[xile6]

Imo they dont matter if the game play is crap.
mario kart improves on graphic each time but its still the same game play amd thats why people buy it. Same thing with pokemon.

So to me its more about game play then how it looks.

[ArmedPrimate]

Plus I belive theybuy For example, Calll of Duty, because it's "cool", and not because of the game itself

The most fun I had involving a Call of Duty title was Call of Duty 4 and a little bit of Modern Warfare 2. CoD 4 was a fresh idea and as CoD stands now, I feel it's degraded. The video is right, there is a lack of original ideas, I remember playing the beta to Crysis 3 and thinking to myself that it feels exactly the same as 2 except they've added a crossbow, there might be a graphical improvement, I didn't see it though. However playing the Wii U and ZombiU I felt engaged because of the use of the Gamepad, at one point I even plugged in a set of headphones and put one in my ear like an earwig and felt like the guy was talking to me on the radio while I tried to survive.

[Goodtwin]

The most fun I had involving a Call of Duty title was Call of Duty 4 and a little bit of Modern Warfare 2. CoD 4 was a fresh idea and as CoD stands now, I feel it's degraded. The video is right, there is a lack of original ideas, I remember playing the beta to Crysis 3 and thinking to myself that it feels exactly the same as 2 except they've added a crossbow, there might be a graphical improvement, I didn't see it though. However playing the Wii U and ZombiU I felt engaged because of the use of the Gamepad, at one point I even plugged in a set of headphones and put one in my ear like an earwig and felt like the guy was talking to me on the radio while I tried to survive.

 

I play with headphones as well, and it really does improve the experience.  Playing in the dark with headphones on was a creapy experience.  It had that Resident Evil 1 atmosphere going on the whole time. 

[SoldMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

Simple answer: nope.

[Soul]

That guy has great videos.

 

Man Dough!

[Trash Waifu]

Of course graphics matter. You're only deluding yourself if you think they don't. Good visuals dramatically change the entire game. It's not more important than gameplay, but graphics are a vital part of every game.

[Kiki Neko-Chan]

Of course graphics matter. You're only deluding yourself if you think they don't. Good visuals dramatically change the entire game. It's not more important than gameplay, but graphics are a vital part of every game.

+1.

[routerbad]

Of course graphics matter. You're only deluding yourself if you think they don't. Good visuals dramatically change the entire game. It's not more important than gameplay, but graphics are a vital part of every game.

I wouldn't go that far.  Visuals definitely enhance the immersion, and thereby the experience.  They don't dramatically change the entire game.  We only had one chance to make the 2d - 3d jump.  Once that's done all we can do is expand how much is shown and how visually appealing the details are.  They can't really "change the game" at this point.  Art direction, an extension of visuals not tied directly to graphical performance, can change the tone of a game completely, though.

 

The problem is that we are at a point where showing more detail isn't enough for companies to keep selling the same games with minor iterative graphical enhancements.  They need to go back to creating a variety of experiences.  I hope this generation the FPS starts to die off as the top genre, as open world exploration games like LOZ, or X, Final Fantasy, etc could be more pleasing both visually and from a gameplay perspective.  It's gotten way too easy for people to call themselves "hardcore gamers" considering the games they primarily play don't require any real skill other than for multiplayer, which we don't need 100 of.

[Alianjaro]

Of course graphics matter. You're only deluding yourself if you think they don't. Good visuals dramatically change the entire game. It's not more important than gameplay, but graphics are a vital part of every game.

Graphics are impressve, indeed. But come on, they're not that "vital" part you're talking about. Really. You certainly know these games that have impressive graphics but nothing more? An example of that is CoD in my opinion *IN MY OPINION*. But you see my point, right?

[PS3WIIIUfan]

its about the gameplay always! Graphics are out dated

[cannonshane]

Graphics all though mighty impressive when done well do not make the games fun, they just make them more attractive, I bet you if skyrim was released with last gen graphics it would have still sold in huge amounts.