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[Foot]

They announce iPhone 5S and 5C, the successors to iPhone 5 and everyone knows about it, yet Nintendo releases Wii U, successor to Wii, and people still don't know what it is

[YoshiGamer9]

They announce iPhone 5S and 5C, the successors to iPhone 5 and everyone knows about it, yet Nintendo releases Wii U, successor to Wii, and people still don't know what it is

 

That's because apple is apple.

[Alex Wolfers]

Better yet how about overpriced?

[YoshiGamer9]

Better yet how about overpriced?

 

Well in comparison iPhones are cheaper than most smart phones out there so...

[Nollog]

iphones have their place.
that place is for people ignorant of technology.
If you can't use a computer properly, get an iphone.

[aaron]

Yes. 

This is everyone's faces who are excited by IOS7 and iPhone 5 C and S.

This should go in the Post Your Beautiful Face thread then, 3DS.

[Socalmuscle]

Anything and anyone can be overrated depending on how high a pedestal you put them.

 

Apple had come back from brink and earned their status as a premier tech company.

 

They are a genuinely innovative company that doesn't just innovate, they perfect as much as they can. And they generally (with some exceptions) nail it.

 

With the iPhone 5S, they might as well have called it a 6. 

 

It is a game changer.

 

It literally does things no competitor can match.

 

64 bit is huge. Even legendary Apple hater anand shimpi from anantech is lauding this.

 

android competitors won't be able to catch up to that for a long time.

 

And developers are claiming performance enhancements in many apps making the conversion so far.

 

some of the camera tech is not even feasible outside of this.

 

64 bit CPU. In a phone along with a 64 bit OS to make proper use of it.

 

amazing.

 

If you hate on that, you are simply a fool.  If it was Samsung or Google (moto) that did this, apple haters would be sounding apple's death knell. Apple does it, and the haters still hate. when in reality, apple simply showed that they are not some surface level company. they INNOVATE from the ground up.

 

the Os, the hardware design, the app hierarchy, everything they do is done with such care and attention to detail that some would say it's "overdone." when Apple is touting the details of what they do, the haters like to make fun.  In reality, when you are making game-changing, innovative, and legitimately impressive products like they are, it's ridiculous to not market it.

 

If anything, Apple is underrated.  they are consistently turning out the best smartphones, tablets, and computers this world has to offer. From hardware to software to security to services, etc. Now, they basically slapped their competitors around with the 5S and told them to shut up and sit in a corner.

 

the fingerprint scanner is insane.  The Atrix tried it before, with extremely poor results and ended up discontinuing the feature in subsequent models due to the inability to get it to work right and the fact that the scanners actually burn out. 

 

The iPhone is the first consumer use of the tech that actually works consistently, reliably, and just as it should. They put tons of work into this and refined the tech they acquired with the purchase of Authentec.

 

the iPad is next for the 5S treatment, but usually in bigger ways. the 5S just pimpslapped all competitors and the iPad is going to do the same thing.

 

You can hate on apple because you simply "don't like them." but there isn't any true rationale for it.

 

It's a philosophy.  If someone is successful, you don't like them. that's ok.  It's your perogative.

 

some choose sides. Some have chosen google, who steals your data, invades your privacy, and makes mediocre products, vaporware, and shuts down the experimental software you love to brag about - because it isn't that great. they excel in search and ad revenue though.

 

Some choose Microsoft. And that's just a sad story.

 

some choose Samsung.  Was great when they had the inside track on Apple hardware and could copy quickly.

 

but then that Gear thing happened, and we saw what Samsung makes when they don't have Apple to show them how...

 

And then the 64 bit bomb dropped and Samsung was so shocked, they were compelled to come out with a press release that stated something like "don't worry samsung fans! Somehow, someday, we too will have a 64 bit CPU" LOL

 

Apple switching A7 production to TSMC likely putting a big dent in Samsung's free R&D.

 

Basically, Apple makes the best hardware, the best software, and they provide the best ecosystem. and they do it honestly.

 

Do they charge more for their products? Yes.  but it's not some insane price or for no reason.

 

You are getting the best when you buy Apple and you know it when you do.

 

You can call that overrated if you like.  And if the standard was perfection, then yes, they would be overrated.

 

But that isn't the standard.  The standard is being the best at what they do. and they've acheived that in spades.

 

they know theyre in a fight.  they were the hungry challenger taking on the champions and they won.  they have the belts now.

 

the amazing thing about them is that they don't get fat and happy with their success.  They still act like the scrappy underdog and that keeps them running at maximum speed.

 

Tim cook's firing of Scott forstall (the man credited with the original iOS concept) because he was political and resistant to change shows just how far they will go to not get stuck in the past.

 

this is a forward looking company. Fast, agile, and at the top of their game.

 

For some reason, it doesn't matter how well they do, there is always this faction that is implying doom waits at the door for apple with any misstep. that's prressure. Yet they seem to thrive under it.

 

they have beaten their competitors again and again in a battle on many fronts.

 

And now, they have signaled that they aren't messing around.  they have a vision for the future and they are making sure that they lead the way while Samsung, the Android gang, and Microsoft FOLLOW them there - just like they have been since 2007.

[Nollog]

64 bit CPU. In a phone along with a 64 bit OS to make proper use of it.

Why is it huge?
The ARM series of chips have been able to handle larger than 4GB of RAM for ages, even without being 64bit.
Since that's the only true advantage to 64Bit computing, I don't see how it impacts anything.
I doubt the iphone will have >4GB of RAM.

But since when have Apple been targeting consumers who know what their marketing bull rainbow actually means?

btw, registry size isn't going to make anything faster, they're still separated even in 16bit processors. ax = al and ah

[Elric]

It really just comes down to your preferences on what you want in a computer. 

[Socalmuscle]

Why is it huge?
The ARM series of chips have been able to handle larger than 4GB of RAM for ages, even without being 64bit.
Since that's the only true advantage to 64Bit computing, I don't see how it impacts anything.
I doubt the iphone will have >4GB of RAM.

But since when have Apple been targeting consumers who know what their marketing bull rainbow actually means?

btw, registry size isn't going to make anything faster, they're still separated even in 16bit processors. ax = al and ah

More registers definitely makes things faster.

You must not be a developer. A 32 bit app will not benefit. A 64 bit app will. Obviously some apps will benefit much more and some won't see an improvement depending on what they do. Twice the binary number at once. More throughput l.

Twice the registers. That's crazy. It works at light speed before it even touches the cache! It's a big improvement. Gigantic improvement.

It's huge. It's a game changer now and in the future. Only people who don't know what 64 bit is about-or who only know of ms windows pathetic "support" for it would think its just a marketing ploy. This is a hardware and software setup built for true 64 bit processing all the way. No concessions

Developers are saying this. Not a marketing team. And apple is revealing the performance increases to developers as well.

They wouldn't lie to devs, who would know the truth right away. It would backfire.

More registers, better memory handling.

64 bit isn't just to address more memory. That's a fallacy. But it can do that too.

64 bit is also more efficient and in a mobile device, this comes in handy. Instead of a 32 bit processor doing something twice, the 64 bit CPU does it once. Less energy is used.

The only drawback would be full 64 bit usage requiring more storage. But that's easily countered by the trend toward more memory.

Edited by Socalmuscle, 18 September 2013 - 08:40 PM.

[Nollog]

More registers definitely makes things faster.

You must not be a developer. A 32 bit app will not benefit. A 64 bit app will. Obviously some apps will benefit much more and some won't see an improvement depending on what they do. Twice the binary number at once. More throughput l.

Twice the registers. That's crazy. It works at light speed before it even touches the cache! It's a big improvement. Gigantic improvement.

It's huge. It's a game changer now and in the future. Only people who don't know what 64 bit is about-or who only know of ms windows pathetic "support" for it would think its just a marketing ploy. This is a hardware and software setup built for true 64 bit processing all the way. No concessions

Developers are saying this. Not a marketing team. And apple is revealing the performance increases to developers as well.

They wouldn't lie to devs, who would know the truth right away. It would backfire.

More registers, better memory handling.

64 bit isn't just to address more memory. That's a fallacy. But it can do that too.

64 bit is also more efficient and in a mobile device, this comes in handy. Instead of a 32 bit processor doing something twice, the 64 bit CPU does it once. Less energy is used.

The only drawback would be full 64 bit usage requiring more storage. But that's easily countered by the trend toward more memory.

More registries is purely down to resistors inside the chip, meaning Jiggahertz.
If you split a 64bit register into 2 32bit chunks, as is the common practise since 16bit processors, you're still just working with bigger storage holes.
What are you going to gain from just having bigger numbers in the registers? Since it's a ALU, you're probably just doing AL inside it, that is adding, multiplying, storing numbers for data comparison, if you're desperate for storage space I guess you could read twice as much into the one register as before, which would slow down processing on the same data since it'll be using less parallel processing.
Of course, what am I saying?
I know what most of these iOS apps are like, they do very little. Reading 1 big chunk at once is all they need to do to work faster.

It's not a fallacy, it's a design fault embedded in intel cpu's since the pc first started to become cheap enough to be popular in the 80's.

[Socalmuscle]

More registries is purely down to resistors inside the chip, meaning Jiggahertz.
If you split a 64bit register into 2 32bit chunks, as is the common practise since 16bit processors, you're still just working with bigger storage holes.
What are you going to gain from just having bigger numbers in the registers? Since it's a ALU, you're probably just doing AL inside it, that is adding, multiplying, storing numbers for data comparison, if you're desperate for storage space I guess you could read twice as much into the one register as before, which would slow down processing on the same data since it'll be using less parallel processing.
Of course, what am I saying?
I know what most of these iOS apps are like, they do very little. Reading 1 big chunk at once is all they need to do to work faster.

It's not a fallacy, it's a design fault embedded in intel cpu's since the pc first started to become cheap enough to be popular in the 80's.

It's not a design fault. Lol

It's the right way to use bigger numbers.

Taking a 32 bit CPU and doubling up on a pass to make 64 bit is a waste. 64 bits is 64 at once. It's highly useful. Just can't get around that.

[grahamf]

Good lord it's Espresso vs Jaguar all over again.

[Nollog]

It's not a design fault. Lol

It's the right way to use bigger numbers.

Taking a 32 bit CPU and doubling up on a pass to make 64 bit is a waste. 64 bits is 64 at once. It's highly useful. Just can't get around that.

Design Fault in that you can only address 3GB worth of RAM.
Due to short-sighted designing.

It's not huge.

[grahamf]

Design Fault in that you can only address 3GB worth of RAM.
Due to short-sighted designing.

It's not huge.

technically it's more of a limitation than a fault. Sure you could address more by having the addresses longer than 32 bits, but then additional overhead is needed to resolve ANY address.

[Nollog]

technically it's more of a limitation than a fault. Sure you could address more by having the addresses longer than 32 bits, but then additional overhead is needed to resolve ANY address.

The addresses were 20 bits. The remaining bits were used to locate the address in the paging file.
The biggest reason why intel and PC's got so big was because of intel's mindset, which was to keep backward compatibility.
It got to such a stage that their chips suffered because of legacy instructions, and RISC popped up.

I consider a limitation a fault in the design.
Obviously, it's been mostly solved by revisions in the chip's family.

[Socalmuscle]

Design Fault in that you can only address 3GB worth of RAM.Due to short-sighted designing.It's not huge.

It's a game changer.

And Samsung was so shocked and awed that they had to announce their own intentions of someday having a mobile 64 bit setup right after apple showed their killer phone.

guess sammy didn't like not being privy to apples roadmap anymore. lol

huge would be an understatement.

Edited by Socalmuscle, 18 September 2013 - 11:32 PM.

[Envy]

I feel I've had more exposure to Apple haters than I have fans. I, myself, am not a big fan of Apple computers. We had them in my young teens and before, and they were alright... Up until the last one, which was a disaster.
 
So there's that. But generally I'll just say "Yeah, I'd rather spend $1000 less on my computers" and move on... I have acquaintances that can do nothing but bash Apple and call everybody with iPhones tools. They're just that mad at the thought of anybody having an iPhone.
 
Those acquaintances would certainly judge me for what I'm about to say, and the fact that I recently got an iPhone, but hey, they're what I consider acquaintances for a reason (which goes well beyond this, trust me). I've always used iPods, and never had any issue with them. When I first tried out other MP3 players I found them to generally be not that great. IPods, iTunes, and iPhones are just all very simple to use. And really, when getting a new phone or MP3 player, I'd rather go with something tried and true, rather then having to bash my head selecting between tons and tons of different models/brands that ALL claim that they're on the cutting edge of technology. The iPhone can do everything that I really want out of a cell phone. And, on the plus side, it being so well known means that it has tons of support and the like.
 
But, of course, I'm supposed to do all of this "research" into what is the best phone, as my acquaintances would say. Meh. It's just a phone. I don't have my phone to brag. I have it to use.
 

Better yet how about overpriced?

I just got my iPhone 4S for $50 (with a contract, of course). I hardly consider that "overpriced" for what it can do.

Edited by Envy, 19 September 2013 - 06:33 AM.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

If I were to get a phone, I would get a galaxy S4, but you have to pay every month for a phone, so I was thinking why not buy something that does basically everything a phone does but isn't a phone? Sure I hate apple but they make fast products at least, so I was considering a touch but it could just be me caving into peer pressure because I'm like the only one without an ipod/phone :/

 

Also thanks for being the only one bothering to actually help

 

 

Well Idk what iOS is all about or any of that android crap

 

Thanks for suggesting a phone, but I'm one of those people that wouldn't buy from a company that they don't really know much about.

 

I don't nessesarily mean it's premium, I just like all the cool innoative features that iphones don't have.

 

But if those features are as useless as people make them out to be, maybe it's not worth getting an expensive phone.

This thread kind of confuses me.

First you say you don't need a phone cause of monthly fees, and that you got rid of the S4 (which you have because you hate apple). Okay, i get that. Then you say you want something with the same cool and innovative features as the phone of the company you hate(?). Just saying, I've never called any of the companies I hate innovative or cool, let alone innovative and cool.

But moving on, people then recommend phones with cool and innovative features. But now you don't want the features (??). And you also don't want something you're unfamiliar with, but apparently you only know Apple and Samsung products.

So I think, according to what you've said, just get nothing. Don't follow the crowd and save your money.

And to answer your original question, yes, Apple is very overrated. iPhones are one thing, but Macs?

I'll bucking kill you if you try and justify a mac's pricetag.

[MatrixChicken]

Well, I have an iPod Touch 5, and let me tell you; it's a beautiful device. I don't use it for very much other than listening to music and watching YouTube videos, but even just that, and being able to admire the sleek design of the hardware -- and now, with iOS 7, even the software -- makes it worth the $299 to me. Apple may be overrated, but there's no doubting that their products look really good. Some may think they're over-priced, but others may think they're just right.

 

I'd say that if you want to have the iOS "experience" ( ), then an iPod Touch 5 would be a worthwhile buy. You can even get a cheaper $229 version, though it does lack a back-facing camera.

Edited by MatrixChicken, 19 September 2013 - 08:36 AM.