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[XxNightfallxX]

Just thought i should share this...

 

http://www.dailydot....rview-buzzfeed/

 

and....

 

http://www.buzzfeed....but-say#3jva6v8

 

 

according to this he has no real passion for games apparently...

Edited by XxNightfallxX, 17 October 2014 - 03:51 PM.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

I was going to write out a giant post about why exactly I support gamergate, and why pretty much everything you've all said here in this thread is not only incredibly disappointing, but also incredibly backwards.

But fortunately, gamergate was trending on twitter last night yet again (which should be impossible since many of you have said this is simply a fad - and I've yet to ever see a fad that can solidly trend on twitter for the space of two months) and I was essentially able to se most of my thoughts written out elsewhere.

 

Now I'll begin with a challenge for all of you. Even if you read nothing else in this post, I ask you, ALL of you to take this challenge.

 

Here is a link to the gamergate hashtag on twitter in other words (mostly) people who support the movement: https://twitter.com/...erGate&src=tyah

Show me the harassment, misogyny, homophobia and racism you've all been saying and heard is so prevalent in the movement.

 

Here is a link to the stopgamergate hashtag. (Mostly) people who are against gamergate: https://twitter.com/...te2014&src=tyah

See if what is said here lines up with what you just read.

 

See, it's real easy to read a couple of articles from journalists who have a lot to gain by putting down people against corruption in video games, and form your opinion, but it's a well known fact that you're never going to truly grasp the story until you go to the front lines and talk to the soldiers yourself. It doesn't matter if there are a small group of people who are trying to use this as a method to harass women the majority care about journalism, and seeing that the corruption ends. This concept is all the more true for notyourshield. It doesn't frinking matter who started it, or who what they wanted it to represent, because hat it turned out to be were thousands of minorities denouncing this claim that gamergate was just an attack on them, and confirming that using that excuse was simply away to draw attention from their own corruption and other bad journalistic practices (which, in case you don't see it, is a disgusting way to treat minorities. Can anyone say hypocritical?). If enough people would actually go to the front lines, see what's it's about and join the cause then eventually that small group wold be totally drowned out. In fact the only reason it hasn't is because Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn and Brianna Wu are only focusing on that group, and all the major media outlets are doing the same. In other words, all you're doing by supporting those media sites is giving the small group who send rape threats power, and taking it away from those who care about game journalism.

See I, like everyone else have made the "incredible game, like skyrim with goombas 6/10 - ign" jokes. And laughed when someone posted a kotaku article. But that's easy, anyone can join a circlejerk. Gamergate is about putting your money where your mouth is, and showing you're not just a wanker, showing that you actually care about the issue to do something about it.

 

Last thing I'll say before I let the links and articles do the talking. You talk about looking at who you're throwing your hat in with, but I would ask you to do the same. Yes there are a minority that are terrible people who support gamergate. Yes, by supporting gamergate, you are instantly considered one of those terrible people, whether it's true or not, and whether you deserve it or not. But the fact remains that most of the people you throw your hat in with are supporting a good cause and doing it as honestly as they know how.

The same can not be said for those who are against gamergate. The people you're throwing your hat in with are SJWs, and SJWs are verified scum. And on this side they're not a fringe group, they are the driving force. Not only are they known to be irrational, hypocritical crybabies, but they also frequently belittle and generalize the minorities they claim to protect. That should clear by the fact that the majority of them are white females from the age of 12-30 and the second biggest demographic after that are white males 12-30. They don't actually know crap about being a minority, and that's why you rarely find minorities siding with them. That's coming from a minority.

 

Second most important part, that I urge you all to read:

Since you all seem to enjoy getting your information from one sided journalistic pieces, I brought some of my own along. I would hope you know the only way to truly see an issue objectively is to read what both sides have to say, and if you already have an opinion, to keep an open mind when reading things that go against your opinion. I would go as far as to say if you won't read these articles, you have no right to further participate in the conversation. All you will be doing is stirring the pot with one-sided, uneducated views, like 3Dude.

Listed in order of importance:

http://techcrunch.co...e-with-2-sides/

http://www.breitbart...ake-You-a-Bully

Not an article, but still important: https://www.reddit.c...at_has_been_in/

 

My final message , especially to you 3Dude is to stop speaking minorities. Stop thinking you know what is better for them than what they do. Stop tlling them they are puppets, and that what they believe in isn't actually what they believe in. And definitely stop supporting this behavior. As a minority, I'm telling you, your behavior is the most distasteful of them all.

 

Thought i would add this for good mesure:

Since I keep finding new stuff,

Moar :

http://adland.tv/adn...ices/1629488701

Edited by WydrA, 18 October 2014 - 03:18 PM.

[Bill Cipher]

I looked at the twitter links and Saw about 25% of the posts for GG having insults, with 20ish% being StopGamerGate

 

Not going to bother to quote your post, but it does bring up a valid point.

 

By claiming that 

 

The people you're throwing your hat in with are SJWs, and SJWs are verified scum. And on this side they're not a fringe group, they are the driving force.

 

 

Is a complete and utter lie. Now, I'm not GOING to say that SJWs aren't morons at moments. Trust me, I read TumblrInAction. The ideas that WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL AND AUTOMATICALLY DESERVE TO DIE AND THEN EVERYTHING WOULD BE FIXED, as well as the ideas that Mental Disabilities are something to be flaunted around like a sticker are so stupid I'd be tempted to think that these people would support an alien race coming down, destroying all the countries with white people in them, and then setting up a new regime BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL.As a Cis guy, I KNOW We've done some straight up NASTY crap throughout history, but the past is the past. We can't Fix it by killing the opressors, we have to work to make a system where there ARE no oppressors.

 

However, to lump SJWs as the driving force behind the Anti-GamerGate movement is stupid.  I'm an EQUALIST. I believe in Social Justice(And equality, in case my thing wasn't clear). You're right, that a large part of GamerGate WANTS active change and isn't part of the harassment. But let me tell you a story:

 

Germany, following the end of WW1, was under heavy heavy losses. They, despite NOT being the instigator, had been fined with the entire guilt of the war and the costs with it. This wasn't fair, and many people underneath the Weimar Republic began to try and fix the problems. One of these groups was the Nazis. Now, in NO WAY am I comparing GamerGate to Nazis, but this analogy works for this story.

 

Part of the reasons why the Nazi Party was ABLE to be successful was not racism, or prejudice, or those various negative factors. Those were important, but the NUMBER one reason IMO that they were successful is that they gave the Geman people an IDEA to strive towards. Instead of pitying itself and being inefficent, like the Weimar Republic had been, Nazi Germany was able to bounce back from being in the worst place it had been to being one of the most powerful countries in the world over the span of 15 Years IIRC.

 

This sense of community is what I see in GamerGate. They came together with a common goal: To try and FIX the corruption in the Gaming Industry much like the Nazi's rose into power by trying to fix the issues with Germany and the Weimar Republic. However, this is the main reason why I chose to use this example: The good turned into crap QUICKLY due to there being some underlying factors in the entirity of the foundation.

 

In the Nazi's case, this was the racism they had. The head of the Weimar Republic CHOSE to form a joint union with Hitler because IIRC Hitler was able to be controlled. Hitler, being HITLER, then pulled off a bunch of stuff to corrupt the system. Once again, this isn't a perfect analogy as the Nazi Party had a LOT more crap going on at the start, but I'm still using it. GamerGate, which like the Nazi's gathered a substantial following, had crap beginning to leak through it. 

 

The point of this very long winded thing(which I'm trying to shorten now) is that what starts off as a noble idea can become corrupted VERY, VERY quickly. I do not doubt that a portion of GG believes they are doing the right thing, just like a portion of Nazi Supporters believed that actions taken would be the right thing for Germany. ONCE AGAIN, not comparing GG to Nazi Germany. The idea of Communism, for instance, is one that ultimately sounds ideal(At least to me): Everyone is Equal economically and socially. However, this idea got interpretted by the USSR and various other communists to become "Everyone is the SAME." There's a story about Telephone in here somewhere, but I've got no time for that.

 

In Summation, GamerGate is a noble idea in theory: Weed out the corruption in the gaming industry. However, just like any good idea, this idea can become co-opted and used for less then savoury means. It doesn't MATTER if there's still a group of people who believe in it's core ideas, the entire subject itself is a rotten apple. As I said, I'm an equalist, and since most people inquire what I mean, I have to explain it. By saying I'm a socialist economically, you WOULD not believe the crap I get. I've chosen to move on from it and have begun to use the term Equalist. GamerGate, I think, would do well to do the same. Burn the ship, start over, and create a new movement based around this. Focus on the corruption between the various promotions and companies, focus upon the idea that reviews are supposed to be SUBJECTIVE(you can't write an objective review if it's art. That's not how it works.), or the very ideas that PR Managers tend to be taken from Journalism sites. This is WHAT the DoritosGate Thread on GAF was for, but it got hijacked by the GGers.

[Portal]

You think that counts as explaining what something is to someone? Read a dictionary. That's what explaining something should look like.

http://knowyourmeme....vents/gamergate
I know knowyourmeme isn't the best site, but it's the easiest place for me to find a compilation of everything that's happened.
What 3Dude has posted are a bunch of journalists who have connections to Zoe Quinn's opinion pieces/propoganda on the movement.

I hate to jump into a random conversation I haven't even read, but is this seriously just a reaction to some people realizing how corrupt the industry is and trying to fix it in a really stupid way? Hilarious how it's called gamergate, but I didn't read much about actual games. Play games and don't give too much of a crap about the industry and journalism. Works out pretty well for me.

[3Dude]

I hate to jump into a random conversation I haven't even read, but is this seriously just a reaction to some people realizing how corrupt the industry is and trying to fix it in a really stupid way? Hilarious how it's called gamergate, but I didn't read much about actual games. Play games and don't give too much of a crap about the industry and journalism. Works out pretty well for me.

Almost. They never cared about corruption, which is why theyve never brought any actual corruption to light, despite many, MANY oppertunities. 4chan found some information they thought they woul be able to use to hurt someone they already hated, and decided to hide it, extremely poorly, behind some 'journalistic ethics' which they very clearly know nothing about.



This was immediately and irrevocably disproven, and made gamergate look incredibly bad, so they adapted by not talking about it, or even mentioning Zoe's name, which is why the call her literally who now.
 

I looked at the twitter links and Saw about 25% of the posts for GG having insults, with 20ish% being StopGamerGate
 
Not going to bother to quote your post, but it does bring up a valid point.
 
By claiming that 
 
Is a complete and utter lie. Now, I'm not GOING to say that SJWs aren't morons at moments. Trust me, I read TumblrInAction. The ideas that WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL AND AUTOMATICALLY DESERVE TO DIE AND THEN EVERYTHING WOULD BE FIXED, as well as the ideas that Mental Disabilities are something to be flaunted around like a sticker are so stupid I'd be tempted to think that these people would support an alien race coming down, destroying all the countries with white people in them, and then setting up a new regime BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL.As a Cis guy, I KNOW We've done some straight up NASTY crap throughout history, but the past is the past. We can't Fix it by killing the opressors, we have to work to make a system where there ARE no oppressors.
 
However, to lump SJWs as the driving force behind the Anti-GamerGate movement is stupid.  I'm an EQUALIST. I believe in Social Justice(And equality, in case my thing wasn't clear). You're right, that a large part of GamerGate WANTS active change and isn't part of the harassment. But let me tell you a story:
 
Germany, following the end of WW1, was under heavy heavy losses. They, despite NOT being the instigator, had been fined with the entire guilt of the war and the costs with it. This wasn't fair, and many people underneath the Weimar Republic began to try and fix the problems. One of these groups was the Nazis. Now, in NO WAY am I comparing GamerGate to Nazis, but this analogy works for this story.
 
Part of the reasons why the Nazi Party was ABLE to be successful was not racism, or prejudice, or those various negative factors. Those were important, but the NUMBER one reason IMO that they were successful is that they gave the Geman people an IDEA to strive towards. Instead of pitying itself and being inefficent, like the Weimar Republic had been, Nazi Germany was able to bounce back from being in the worst place it had been to being one of the most powerful countries in the world over the span of 15 Years IIRC.
 
This sense of community is what I see in GamerGate. They came together with a common goal: To try and FIX the corruption in the Gaming Industry much like the Nazi's rose into power by trying to fix the issues with Germany and the Weimar Republic. However, this is the main reason why I chose to use this example: The good turned into crap QUICKLY due to there being some underlying factors in the entirity of the foundation.
 
In the Nazi's case, this was the racism they had. The head of the Weimar Republic CHOSE to form a joint union with Hitler because IIRC Hitler was able to be controlled. Hitler, being HITLER, then pulled off a bunch of stuff to corrupt the system. Once again, this isn't a perfect analogy as the Nazi Party had a LOT more crap going on at the start, but I'm still using it. GamerGate, which like the Nazi's gathered a substantial following, had crap beginning to leak through it. 
 
The point of this very long winded thing(which I'm trying to shorten now) is that what starts off as a noble idea can become corrupted VERY, VERY quickly. I do not doubt that a portion of GG believes they are doing the right thing, just like a portion of Nazi Supporters believed that actions taken would be the right thing for Germany. ONCE AGAIN, not comparing GG to Nazi Germany. The idea of Communism, for instance, is one that ultimately sounds ideal(At least to me): Everyone is Equal economically and socially. However, this idea got interpretted by the USSR and various other communists to become "Everyone is the SAME." There's a story about Telephone in here somewhere, but I've got no time for that.
 
In Summation, GamerGate is a noble idea in theory: Weed out the corruption in the gaming industry. However, just like any good idea, this idea can become co-opted and used for less then savoury means. It doesn't MATTER if there's still a group of people who believe in it's core ideas, the entire subject itself is a rotten apple. As I said, I'm an equalist, and since most people inquire what I mean, I have to explain it. By saying I'm a socialist economically, you WOULD not believe the crap I get. I've chosen to move on from it and have begun to use the term Equalist. GamerGate, I think, would do well to do the same. Burn the ship, start over, and create a new movement based around this. Focus on the corruption between the various promotions and companies, focus upon the idea that reviews are supposed to be SUBJECTIVE(you can't write an objective review if it's art. That's not how it works.), or the very ideas that PR Managers tend to be taken from Journalism sites. This is WHAT the DoritosGate Thread on GAF was for, but it got hijacked by the GGers.

Just to bring some final bit of information to light. it was NEVER a good movement. I say this as someone who has been screaming about corruption every chance I got on these forums for years. Naturally the first thing I did before I said word one about this was dig down all the way to its roots and gather intelligence and information. What can I say, Im an extremely incredulous person. It was always a lie. A complete and absolute lie.

The corruption lie was just a vehicle made to look attractive to people they could use to add volume to their noise BECAUSE it COULD have been a genuine good idea. Of course, thats simply not good enough for 4chan. They cant just lie and trick people who genuinely believe their cause, they have to make fun of them at the same time. For keks.

Something about the mascot and the logo, especially the logo and why they were being instructed to use it they way they were, which was, preferrably over a pic of their actual face like 'goggles' was always suspicious to me. And it was finally brought to light today, and now the 'raped face KEK KEK KEK KEK' in jokes the 8chan black boards make finally make some sense.

That would be this purple and green logo by the way:

Like the mascot, the logo is a rape meme called the 'Daily dose':

Vivian James page: http://knowyourmeme....es/vivian-james

Scroll down to this paragraph above the picture:

"It took a series of polls to eventually reach the final character design and her name. Afterwards the character design was sent over to TFYC, who subsequently shared Vivian James and her final design on their Twitter account (shown below). Some aspects present in Vivian James’ visual design represent 4chan’s /v/ board, such as her striped sweater being green and purple, a reference to the infamous daily dose images, and the four-leaf clover on her headband."


where it describes vivian james color scheme represents the 'Daily Dose' Daily dose is a hyper link, leading to the meme page. It is heavily, HEAVILY, censored, still, ntsfw just because of pure subject matter. I am warning you right now, you dont want to see it uncensored. And you dont need to, either, to understand whats being done here.
 
4chan, uses the colors purple and green as a replacement for the gif, its a rape representation they try to sneak whenever they can, like with mascot vivian james, as explicitely stated, her shirt basically represents rape to its designers. As described by the memes page itself. Again, HEAVILY CENSORED LINK, but STILL NTSFW.

http://knowyourmeme....es/piccolo-dick

As described here: "Images related to the gif are often not aimed at representing the GIF, but instead just contain the colors green and purple. The idea of this is to make the combination of the two colors evolve as a trigger in a person’s subconscious that results in him being reminded of the gif each time he sees those colors."

Which is what the mascot and logo are, they are daily dose rape memes.

They request unwitting followers to put the logo over their face, so they can laugh about it, because to them it represents them 'Raping thier face'.

The 'movement' was always, down to the design of its mascot, and logo, completely rotten, all the way to the core. Which was way before gamergate.
https://storify.com/...utm_source=t.co

[grahamf]

And here I am blissfully unaware of all this hubbub.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

I looked at the twitter links and Saw about 25% of the posts for GG having insults, with 20ish% being StopGamerGate

 

Not going to bother to quote your post, but it does bring up a valid point.

 

By claiming that 

 

Is a complete and utter lie. Now, I'm not GOING to say that SJWs aren't morons at moments. Trust me, I read TumblrInAction. The ideas that WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL AND AUTOMATICALLY DESERVE TO DIE AND THEN EVERYTHING WOULD BE FIXED, as well as the ideas that Mental Disabilities are something to be flaunted around like a sticker are so stupid I'd be tempted to think that these people would support an alien race coming down, destroying all the countries with white people in them, and then setting up a new regime BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL.As a Cis guy, I KNOW We've done some straight up NASTY crap throughout history, but the past is the past. We can't Fix it by killing the opressors, we have to work to make a system where there ARE no oppressors.

 

However, to lump SJWs as the driving force behind the Anti-GamerGate movement is stupid.  I'm an EQUALIST. I believe in Social Justice(And equality, in case my thing wasn't clear). You're right, that a large part of GamerGate WANTS active change and isn't part of the harassment. But let me tell you a story:

 

Germany, following the end of WW1, was under heavy heavy losses. They, despite NOT being the instigator, had been fined with the entire guilt of the war and the costs with it. This wasn't fair, and many people underneath the Weimar Republic began to try and fix the problems. One of these groups was the Nazis. Now, in NO WAY am I comparing GamerGate to Nazis, but this analogy works for this story.

 

Part of the reasons why the Nazi Party was ABLE to be successful was not racism, or prejudice, or those various negative factors. Those were important, but the NUMBER one reason IMO that they were successful is that they gave the Geman people an IDEA to strive towards. Instead of pitying itself and being inefficent, like the Weimar Republic had been, Nazi Germany was able to bounce back from being in the worst place it had been to being one of the most powerful countries in the world over the span of 15 Years IIRC.

 

This sense of community is what I see in GamerGate. They came together with a common goal: To try and FIX the corruption in the Gaming Industry much like the Nazi's rose into power by trying to fix the issues with Germany and the Weimar Republic. However, this is the main reason why I chose to use this example: The good turned into crap QUICKLY due to there being some underlying factors in the entirity of the foundation.

 

In the Nazi's case, this was the racism they had. The head of the Weimar Republic CHOSE to form a joint union with Hitler because IIRC Hitler was able to be controlled. Hitler, being HITLER, then pulled off a bunch of stuff to corrupt the system. Once again, this isn't a perfect analogy as the Nazi Party had a LOT more crap going on at the start, but I'm still using it. GamerGate, which like the Nazi's gathered a substantial following, had crap beginning to leak through it. 

 

The point of this very long winded thing(which I'm trying to shorten now) is that what starts off as a noble idea can become corrupted VERY, VERY quickly. I do not doubt that a portion of GG believes they are doing the right thing, just like a portion of Nazi Supporters believed that actions taken would be the right thing for Germany. ONCE AGAIN, not comparing GG to Nazi Germany. The idea of Communism, for instance, is one that ultimately sounds ideal(At least to me): Everyone is Equal economically and socially. However, this idea got interpretted by the USSR and various other communists to become "Everyone is the SAME." There's a story about Telephone in here somewhere, but I've got no time for that.

 

In Summation, GamerGate is a noble idea in theory: Weed out the corruption in the gaming industry. However, just like any good idea, this idea can become co-opted and used for less then savoury means. It doesn't MATTER if there's still a group of people who believe in it's core ideas, the entire subject itself is a rotten apple. As I said, I'm an equalist, and since most people inquire what I mean, I have to explain it. By saying I'm a socialist economically, you WOULD not believe the crap I get. I've chosen to move on from it and have begun to use the term Equalist. GamerGate, I think, would do well to do the same. Burn the ship, start over, and create a new movement based around this. Focus on the corruption between the various promotions and companies, focus upon the idea that reviews are supposed to be SUBJECTIVE(you can't write an objective review if it's art. That's not how it works.), or the very ideas that PR Managers tend to be taken from Journalism sites. This is WHAT the DoritosGate Thread on GAF was for, but it got hijacked by the GGers.

 

All of the main "victims" of gamergate, aka the leaders of the anti gamergate movement are SJWs. Most of the people you see on the front ranks of the anti gamergate movement are SJWs. Yes there are several mainstream media sites that have failed to inform themselves, or purposely ignored the evidence and jumped on the anti gamergate bandwagggon, but the driving force, and the people who started the movement, are SJWs. Yes everyone deserves equal rights, you're not going to find may people who don't believe that. But SJWs aren't helping crap. As I said, I would know, I'm one of the people they're supposedly "helping".

 

Anyway, I would genuinely like to see what you consider be abusive language in the gamergate hashtag, it was trending again today (once again, funny behaviour for a fad) and saw no abusive comments. Simplistic insults like "stupid" don't count as abusive by the way. Only very weak-souled people are genuinely injured by that word.

Finally, there are several very serious flaws with your analogy. The biggest comes in the fact that, despite what 3Dude and others have been implying, gamergate has no leader. Every tweet, every action, are indivduals, making their own choices. They are not taking orders froom anyone, they are not looking to anyone for leadership. Each person involved in the gamergate hashtag has chosen to tweet it out simply because they think this is an important issue. Expanding on that point, gamergate is not in anyway a political party or even group. They are individuals who have a like minded view on a single issue. It's somewhat similar to when blacks marched for civil rights. Yes they were a movement, and they stood together, but once their goal is achieved, the roup will dissipate. It can't suddenly turn into this incredibly evil thing where the thing everyone wanted was actually a lie because a select few in the group want to push it into something it's not because those few quite simply will not have everyone else's support. If you're not a leader, you can't rally, or force people to do things they don't support/don't want to do. They quite simply won't do it. You have no power over them.. The majority of gamergate supporters are looking for better journalistic ethics. If this goal is achieved, the goal is achieved. We are not taking over the sites we are asking to change, so no one can use them for evil. In fact we're not taking anything over, we're simply demanding change. Going back to the idea of a march, yes, there are often people who use thee movements as excuses to break windows, steal things, cause havoc, etc. but to say that the whole movement is trash, and should be trashed because of those few pwoplw is a ridiculous notion. The issue is still an issue, and it needs to be solved. Being distracted by the few window breakers is weak minded. It shows a lack of ability to see that the issue is bigger than those people, and that it's not worth letting those few ruin things for everyone else.

 

I hate to jump into a random conversation I haven't even read, but is this seriously just a reaction to some people realizing how corrupt the industry is and trying to fix it in a really stupid way? Hilarious how it's called gamergate, but I didn't read much about actual games. Play games and don't give too much of a crap about the industry and journalism. Works out pretty well for me.

Ignore 3Dude it's been made clear to everyone in this thread he's completely hysterical and practically an extremist in this issue. You know, the type you see standing in the street with signs, screaming in people who disagree with them's faces. Yeah.

 

You're kind of right. gamergate is somewhat a reaction to curruption, but it's not that people suddenly decided to do something about the corruption that's obviously been present before without a trigger. The trigger in this case was the accusation that Zoe Quinn, a supposed feminist slept with several journalists in order to get positive press for her games. A couple people asked totalbiscuit for his opinion, he made a post on it, and it completely blew up. Tought of courxe, ou won't find that part of the story in most accounts of gamergate, that is actually how the issue became so big. The story and Totalbiscuit's thought's were posted on reddit, where it obviously blew up even morem and then all of a sudden, moderators of the subreddit the story was posted on came down on everyone in the thread hard, and completely and totally bombed. They deleted everything. I believe some of the mods were then revealed to be connected to Zoe Quinn. This obviously just infuriates people more. At this point this whole thing i being called he quinnspiracy, and not gamergate. Then journalists were discovered to be donating to a patreon account she had set up. Then Kotaku went and made a post trying to somewhat excuse the relations between her and some of the journalists. Adam baldwin, who is somewhat of a celebrity linked to a video about this on his twitter and included the gamergate hashtag. it blew up from there. It got even bigger when several gaming sites, who were revealed to be a part of a private email ring where they discussed how to "deal" with the "issue" posted articles all declairing that gamers were a"dying breed". In other words they attacked their own reader. From that point ids basically where gamergate became something that could not be stopped. However if you read any of the anti gamergate articles, you will find now mention of these events. You will find only mention of the threats anti gamergate "feminists" have received and how every sinlgle person involved in gamergate is definitely a white, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, members of the kkk and ISIS (these are some of these journalists actual words. I kid you not, a couple journalists today alone compared gamergaters to the kkk, and others a couple days/weeks ago compared them to ISIS (one even went so far as to say that gamergate is a bigger threat to peoples way of life than ISIS. yeah.) and that anyone who appears to be otherwise has internalized the hate, or are completely not good and can't decide for themselves whether or not a movement is worth supporting. You also will not see these journalits metion the doxxing, hrassment, death and rape threats the anti gamergate side has sent. Because when a famous gamergate supporter receives a syringe in the mail with a mysterious substance inside, it's not worth reporting, but when Anita Sarkheesian cancels her talk at a university for rape and death threats the university say they have no knowledge of, it's definitely worth reporting. Though of course they would report that whoe story, only the cancellation for death rape threats. That's the important part, not the fact they're unconfirmed.

[3Dude]

Wydra, you keep thinking gamergate is trending because you have your twitter trends set to 'tailored'.

Also, while wydra is retelling the events of 'Invasion of the body snatchers' replacing aliens with 'SJW', ill just post this:


*EDIT* found another, ms paint resize looks crappy, but I dont care, it makes its point.

This is Gmaergates hero and champion. Just before he realized he could use them like the mindless simpletons he clearly believes they are.

Gamergate is so desperately craving attention, so desperately craving approval, they will believe anything, from anyone, as the gospel truth, as long as it panders to them, no matter how blatantly obvious it is that its a sham.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

Tailored trends are only based off of location and who you follow. Since I live in NA, I still get what tends to be the most popular stuff trending, and I only follow one person who talks about gamergate. The hashtag is still incredibly popular.

http://topsy.com/ana... gate&via=Topsy

[storabajskorven]

I was going to write out a giant post about why exactly I support gamergate, and why pretty much everything you've all said here in this thread is not only incredibly disappointing, but also incredibly backwards.

But fortunately, gamergate was trending on twitter last night yet again (which should be impossible since many of you have said this is simply a fad - and I've yet to ever see a fad that can solidly trend on twitter for the space of two months) and I was essentially able to se most of my thoughts written out elsewhere.

 

Now I'll begin with a challenge for all of you. Even if you read nothing else in this post, I ask you, ALL of you to take this challenge.

 

Here is a link to the gamergate hashtag on twitter in other words (mostly) people who support the movement: https://twitter.com/...erGate&src=tyah

Show me the harassment, misogyny, homophobia and racism you've all been saying and heard is so prevalent in the movement.

 

I think we have shown enough evidences of this already, but the thing is, right now all that is discussed on #GamerGate on Twitter is whether it is a just cause or not. I.e. the same discussion we are having here. So right now one will have to dig a bit to find EITHER just criticism against the industry (what you say GG is about) OR misogyny (what I say GG is about). Of course you can find both. The thing is: since this already started as being about the latter and, as has already been shown in this thread, has already lead to so much stupidity, right now I think trying to use GG to raise important criticism against the industry is like starting a group called "nazis against nuclear weapons". It's not going to gain any sympathy, and might even make people think twice about protesting against nuclear weapons themselves.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

I think we have shown enough evidences of this already, but the thing is, right now all that is discussed on #GamerGate on Twitter is whether it is a just cause or not. I.e. the same discussion we are having here. So right now one will have to dig a bit to find EITHER just criticism against the industry (what you say GG is about) OR misogyny (what I say GG is about). Of course you can find both. The thing is: since this already started as being about the latter and, as has already been shown in this thread, has already lead to so much stupidity, right now I think trying to use GG to raise important criticism against the industry is like starting a group called "nazis against nuclear weapons". It's not going to gain any sympathy, and might even make people think twice about protesting against nuclear weapons themselves.

http://ww.reddit.com/r/kotakuinaction

[3Dude]

http://ww.reddit.com/r/kotakuinaction

To anyone whos not drinking the kool aid all this does is raise more eyebrows.

http://nextgengamingblog.com/blog/ngb/

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

To anyone whos not drinking the kool aid all this does is raise more eyebrows.

http://nextgengamingblog.com/blog/ngb/

My mind is genuinely blown.

Never have I seen this level of stupidity so commonly present in the people around here. I've tried to avoid calling it stupid, but at this point that's what you guys are being.

I post the only subreddit that is not banning the other side's discussion, and is so, so , so vastly focused on journalism, and does not have an ounce of sexism to be seen and the response is that this is that I'm drinking the kool-aid.

I'm drinking the kool-aid, when the side is clearly, without a doubt more objective in this issue, confirming and reporting all the goings on, both negative and positive, and not banning the other opinion, whereas your side, is doubling back, deleting tweets left and right, creating fake posts to create fake evidence, bribing people with game codes to say they want to rape people when they don't, pretending rape and death threats are only coming from one side, admits to use JournoList tactics but tries to defend them and, most horrendously, disgustingly, and, to me personally, infuriatingly of all dares to not only stereotype, but falsely speak for minorities, and then call them liars to their faces when those minorities tell them to leave them alone.

I take it back. That is past the point of stupidity, that is delusional.

And your response, is just golden. You post some article completely unrelated to the subreddit that's is just re-wording what the hundreds of others of anti gamergate articles say. "If you support gamergate, even though your tweets might be about journalism, and not racist, sexist or homophobic, and none of the tweets you see are either, you are definitely supporting sexism, racism, homophobia, rape and death threats, because it is impossible your tweets about gamergate can be about anything else. If you're talking about journalism, as soon as you put that gamergate hashtag after it, you are supporting rape. Even if you are gay, a woman or a person of colour, I am telling you as a straight white person this hashtag you're supporting is definitely against you, and even though you have infinitely more experience than I do in identifying hate towards you, I, the white person have 100% seen what you cannot. This is not about corrupt journalism, trust me" -Signed, a journalist.

How is this logical to you? How do you delude yourself to this point?

If I'm drinking kool-aid, you are chugging, bathing, bleeding, peeing and sweating kool-aid. Give it a little time, and you'll look just like this:

 

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Gamergate is still pulling in more attention than ever before, and is still getting advertisers to distance themselves from the corrupt journalists sites. I tried to help you guys see you have an opportunity to be a part of something good, and while it sucks to see you reject it and side with verified scumbags, it won't change what is being accomplished.

[3Dude]

Because the entire place is made up of naivete, poor logic, and outrage.

Just the language of half the titles show children who think they are playing a game to 'win' it, and shows nothing more substantial than idle opinions being flung around like facts. And you have been completely indoctrinated into the language, ranting and raving about strawmen named "sjw's" Which convienently, just so happens to be every single person who disagrees with you.

And finally, like the rest of the chidlren, you dont seem to understand that visibility is not the same thing as credibility. The most visible thing about gamergate is the very thing you keep trying to tell people s an inconsequentially small part of gamergate. Unfortunately for people who actually believe gamergate isnt a load of crap (And they do exist, foolishly trying to convince/stop the real gamergate on 8chan and their blackboards... which just gets them doxxed, ive let about 17 ggers know theyve been compromised to varying degrees by the black boards for trying to make gamergate decent) the most high visibility,power weilding members of gamergate, ALL fall into the camp you claim is 'just a minority of gamergate'. Reddit children, and even 8chan gg children, do not run gamergate, /pol/ /war/ /i/ /hax/ and /cq/ do.

Hell, gamergates self proffessed big bad lawyer just got slapped with a restraining order, and is trying to twist that as 'anti gg is against the first amendment!!!'

Gamergate has officially been recognized as a hate group by the southern poverty law center: http://www.splcenter...adlines-101614/

And the mainstream media has finally found out about 'operation disrespectful nod' and is letting those advertisers know whats REALLY going on with all those angry emails. And they are starting to go back in, Like bmw.

The only thing gamergate has managed to do, is set back the public perception of videogame enthusiasts by a decade to everyone whos not currently in the gamergate echo chamber. So, great job.

Oh, and for your final delusional strawman claim. The person who started the #stopgamergate hashtag is a Sikh. So, yeah Kiss that one goodbye, hes.... #notyourshield.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

Because the entire place is made up of naivete, poor logic, and outrage.

Just the language of half the titles show children who think they are playing a game to 'win' it, and shows nothing more substantial than idle opinions being flung around like facts. And you have been completely indoctrinated into the language, ranting and raving about strawmen named "sjw's" Which convienently, just so happens to be every single person who disagrees with you.

And finally, like the rest of the chidlren, you dont seem to understand that visibility is not the same thing as credibility. The most visible thing about gamergate is the very thing you keep trying to tell people s an inconsequentially small part of gamergate. Unfortunately for people who actually believe gamergate isnt a load of crap (And they do exist, foolishly trying to convince/stop the real gamergate on 8chan and their blackboards... which just gets them doxxed, ive let about 17 ggers know theyve been compromised to varying degrees by the black boards for trying to make gamergate decent) the most high visibility,power weilding members of gamergate, ALL fall into the camp you claim is 'just a minority of gamergate'. Reddit children, and even 8chan gg children, do not run gamergate, /pol/ /war/ /i/ /hax/ and /cq/ do.

Hell, gamergates self proffessed big bad lawyer just got slapped with a restraining order, and is trying to twist that as 'anti gg is against the first amendment!!!'

Gamergate has officially been recognized as a hate group by the southern poverty law center: http://www.splcenter...adlines-101614/

And the mainstream media has finally found out about 'operation disrespectful nod' and is letting those advertisers know whats REALLY going on with all those angry emails. And they are starting to go back in, Like bmw.

The only thing gamergate has managed to do, is set back the public perception of videogame enthusiasts by a decade to everyone whos not currently in the gamergate echo chamber. So, great job.

Oh, and for your final delusional strawman claim. The person who started the #stopgamergate hashtag is a Sikh. So, yeah Kiss that one goodbye, hes.... #notyourshield.

at this point I am genuinely having difficulty stopping myself from laughing at  you. You are talking about yourself and the side you have taken.

 

-Signed, the officially elected leader, and newly elected official lawyer of gamergate

Edited by WydrA, 21 October 2014 - 07:03 PM.

[Raiden]

GUIDE TO WIN INTERNET ARGUMENTS!

 

Step 1

 

Bring up strawman every chance you get.

 

 

COMGRADUATIONZ! YOU WIN INTERNET!

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

 

GUIDE TO WIN INTERNET ARGUMENTS!

 

Step 1

 

Bring up strawman every chance you get.

 

 

COMGRADUATIONZ! YOU WIN INTERNET!

 

I'm afraid 3Dude has taken this seriously.

[3Dude]

at this point I am genuinely having difficulty stopping myself from laughing at  you. You are talking about yourself and the side you have taken.
 
-Signed, the officially elected leader, and newly elected official lawyer of gamergate

Since, once again, you have a deer in the headlights look on your face since I clearly know far more about your 'movement' than you....

That would be Mike Cernovich @playdangerously.
https://storify.com/...l-dash-for-no-r

Hes now recieved restraining orders, apparently Gamergate logic and 'evidence' doesnt hold up too well in the real world.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

Since, once again, you have a deer in the headlights look on your face since I clearly know far more about your 'movement' than you....

That would be Mike Cernovich @playdangerously.
https://storify.com/...l-dash-for-no-r

Hes now recieved restraining orders, apparently Gamergate logic and 'evidence' doesnt hold up too well in the real world.

You're right 3Dude, you've caught our leader (even though I've never head of him before), but don't worry, we're working on resurrecting Hitler, since he is the perfect embodiment of our morals. Heil Hydra :^)

 

-Signed, WydrA (commander and chief of the racist gamergate movment

Edited by WydrA, 21 October 2014 - 10:07 PM.

[SteventheSlayer]

You're right 3Dude, you've caught our leader (even though I've never head of him before), but don't worry, we're working on resurrecting Hitler, since he is the perfect embodiment of our morals. Heil Hydra :^)

 

-Signed, WydrA (commander and chief of the racist gamergate movment

He doesn't understand sarcasm. I know, I've been down that road already. Take my advice, and just ignore him.