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UE4 also runs on xbox360 and ps3 downscaled. call me when u actually know something about technology

Unreal 4 hasn't been released yet lol. It's a next gen engine that can only be ran by a 2011 level GPU. Call ME when you learn something about technology. Just because I am trying to be realistic and keep your hype levels in check doesn't mean you can start insulting me. I insulted nobody. Just because I said something that disagrees with your point of view I get insulted? Grow up dude.

So if you DOUBTERS on this site actually read between the lines like I have been saying. He basically said in that interview the Wii U is already running a next gen engine. But I'm sure that isn't good enough for you guys.

Cryengine 3 runs on both PS3 and 360 downscaled. It's not next gen. Call me when they say frostbite 2 or unreal 4.

There's nothing to do on a Wii right now it's not enjoyable as it used to be. I just have to play the same old games.

Lol same goes to the 360. Halo 4 is not enough of a reason to keep my 360. That's why I traded it for a vita. I still use my Wii and I'm playing all the operation rainfall games and Pikmin 2

-.- SS is better.. and i was planning on getting OOT 3D any ways so don't blab

I didn't know you loved linear Zelda so much

My apologies.

Aren't graphics the thing kids prioritize nowadays?

In all seriousness, though, we can all enjoy our ports of Mass Effect 3, Batman: Arkham City and Darksider II. We also got Tekken Tag Tournament 3 and some other nice goodies to hold us off until more hardcore games come out.

Brah, you're being a bit too pessimistic.

Mass effect 3 is useless if you don't have the first two to play to get the full character trilogy buildup. Also, it won't have a good ending anyway.

Batman looks worse on Wii U based on the trailer shown, with texture problems.

Darksiders II looks good since its like Zelda but we need to see how it makes use of the tablet first.

Pessimism is mistaken for realism on these forums. The Wii U at E3 did not convince me that it is a next gen console and is a major upgrade over my PS3.

What happened at the round table? I missed it.

They spend half on hour on NintendoLand. They moved on to how Miiverse will work with NSMBU.

http://live.theverge.com/e3-2012-nintendo-wii-u-developer-discussion/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

It started over an hour ago.

"There's sort of this attitude that Nintendo is targeting more casual consumers, but actually we're more interested in making games for people who really love games." Then why don't you show us games that gamers will love to play and move on from this casual crap!

Yes, this sounds crazy, and yes, it may be an overreaction due to today's (un)events. But hear out my craziness.

April 2011, Project Cafe is rumored and leaked onto the internet as the Wii HD. Nintendo finally confirms it in May that they are working on the Wii's successor and it will be debuted at E3 2011.

Fast forward to E3 2011 and we get a Wii U protoype that seemed rushed (perhaps due to the leak of Project Cafe forcing Nintendo's hand) full of tech demo's and a weird tablet controller with circle pads. Some people (stupid ones mostly) thought it was just a new controller for the Wii while others thought it was a new gimmick. While some games were announced, nothing was shown (Super Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario).

After E3 2011 was over, all Nintendo revealed about the Wii U was that it would release sometime after April 2012, it was HD, it had a 6.2 touchscreen on a standard controller, it would play 25GB discs, and it would feature online and third party support (EA seemed to be excited).

After much hype over the summer until the holiday season, Iwata reveals that Nintendo will rereveal the Wii U in it's final form and focus on it's new features and games at E3 2012. Many assumed Nintendo would be better prepared this year and have some actual gameplay trailers ready.

Two days before E3 2012 we learn of Miiverse, we see the new redesigned GamePad, the Wii U controller pro is revealed, and Iwata says the E3 presentation will be all about games.

Fast forward to E3 2012 (today) and we got a regurgitation of the Nintendo Direct info, some casual garbage, some features we already know about, and two first party games that we already knew about (Pikmin 3, which looks like an upscaled Wii game, and NSMBU). Nintendo shows no gameplay trailers for any first party games, or hell, even Wii U tablet usage footage of the Aliens game or Darksiders II. So after a year of preparation, no unintentional leaks, Nintendo in complete control, and Nintendo still has nothing to show for the Wii U that interests hardcore gamers (the audience they vowed to win back with the Wii U).

Microsoft and Sony handed E3 on a silver platter for Nintendo thinking that they can't compete with a next-gen console reveal, and Nintendo blew it! Now, next E3, we will have a struggling Wii U showing trailers of games with current gen graphics trying to out due the big releases of the current gen that are not making it to the Wii U such as GTA V, Last of Us, God of War, PS All-Stars, and Halo 4 AND the inevitable reveal of the Playstation 4 and Xbox 720 that will come with launch trailers, future game releases (even if they are far off), a huge graphical leap, better online, and maybe even a better implementation of touch screen controls (Sony will go with multitouch for sure) while offering blu-ray playback and more.

Nintendo has set itself up for failure and just lost all momentum and buzz for the Wii U. So how do you fix this? Well since no compelling games are coming out with the Wii U launch anyways, just delay it another year. Maybe a summer 2013 launch. It gives you an extra year to develop better games that take advantage of the power of the Wii U, it allows you to build a better network and OS, and components become even cheaper, meaning a more powerful Wii U that will compete with the 720/PS4. It is also possible that in order to avoid the negative press the Wii U received this year and for being delayed, a renaming would do the console good. Nintendo has the 3DS to keep it afloat right now, and every Wii sold is profitable and the casual games still sell. What's another year anyway?

If you're not gonna go big in 2012-Q2 2013 for the Wii U with killer exclusives to build up an audience and sales, then why bother selling the console at a loss and facing a Dreamcast/Saturn like scenario? Just delay the thing and do it right!

EDIT: I also forgot to add this paragraph. The same third parties that seemed so excited about the Wii U were a no show at E3 2012 (EA not announcing any of their sports titles or coming on stage?). Nothing from Capcom, Square Enix (Dragon Quest X footage at least?), THQ (Darksiders II), Aliens (Gearbox), all no shows and all have playable game footage to show for the Wii U right now. Further proving my point that Nintendo is not ready to release the Wii U, and it doesn;t have any games right now. It will end up like the Vita, launch with 2 or 3 killer games and then collect dust until new games are unveiled at the next E3. Those new games will fail miserably at retail because of the abandonment of third parties and the launches of the PS4 and 720.

the gamecube did not fail in my eyes it was a good console with a good selection of games gamecube gave me my best gaming memories with 3 games eternal darkness metroid and rogue leader

the thing with wii u is its just another wii so far in my eyes

i thought the third party support would be amazing and at this stage its not ubisoft have given us ass creed 3 and zombiu but wat about far cry 3??

and the third party titles that are coming quite francly look like ports!!

so is this it?? im still praying they just punked us all with that conference with the real one still too be shown but its not gunna happen.

its a console with 6 year old tech and a touch screen.
i say this because they havnt showed me anything to think otherwise.

i think we xan say byebye to unreal engine 4.
mAybe even good 3rd party games.
ohh well what can you do i know wat im doin though waiting and waiting either till im proved wrong about the console or the real next gen platforms come out

There were some funny jokes today that the "U" in Wii U stood for "Ubisoft" since most of the good games announced were from them (of all the third party publishers, Ubisoft actually saved E3 and Nintendo for that matter, who knew?).

Andy and Joshua suck.......those guys are lose-*gets banned*

Congrats guys.

Like, ffs, when the great software drought of 08-holiday 09 happened at least nintendo rewarded us with NSMB Wii, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Super Mario Galaxy 2, NMH 2, Metroid Other M and Donkey Kong Country Returns in 2010.

2011 was a barren year for Wii except for Kirby and Skyward Sword and 2012 is only good in North America because of late ports of the Operation Rainfall games. So my theory was that all the development had gone into the Wii U and they would announce the schedule for 2012-2013 so I know the software drought had a reason and I wouldn't need to suffer long.

But they showed me nothing and just confirmed that my Wii was useless after Xmas 2010 (I have played 3 games on my Wii since Xmas 2010, Skyward Sword, Return to Dreamland, and Xenoblade. I plan on buying the Last Story). How many people do you know who survive off of 4 games a year from their consoles? This is ridiculous.

Nintendo better pray the roundtable reveals future games, or the Wii will be my last Nintendo console. Nintendo needs to realize that they can't sell a console just for Nintendo games. Not everyone can buy a PC or PS4 or Xbox 720 to get their complete gaming fix. It all has to be available for the Wii U and Nintendo has dropped the ball so far.

The GameCube was a sales failure but it won the hearts of many Nintendo fans over. It saw excellent entries in the Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Mario Kart, Starfox, Smash Bros, franchises. It saw the revival of Metroid in the criticially acclaimed Metroid Prime 1& 2. It saw a brand new IP in Pikmin and it's sequel. It got decent third party support for most of its life (it got all the FIFA's, NHL's, Maddens, Soul Calibur II, Sonic games, Resident Evil 4, etc). It was graphically capable with it's competitors and it had a normal controller with awesome triggers and comfort. No gimmicks. When it was revealed at E3 2001 they showed Pikmin, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Luigi's Mansion, Wave Race, Star Fox Adventures and Eternal Darkness.

Wii U showed us Pikmin 3 and NSMBU. No new IP's, nothing from their most talented studios (EAD Tokyo 1 of Super Mario Galaxy 1 fame, Retro, Monolith, etc.) It has no identity, it is a tablet but also a controller. Do they want the core or casuals? Because that conference was 95% casual with the first 10 minutes or so dedicated to us. There was no graphical showcase of a game, no teaser trailers, no gameplay trailers of core games, nothing! What have they done for 1 year? They have 3 first party studios that havent relesed a game in 2+ years (the 3 I mentioned above, EAD 1 actually hasn't made a new game since 2007). You're telling me none of those studios had even a 30 second trailer of alpha footage or a cgi trailer two years into development time?

What a slap to the face. Why I have been loyal to this company and defended it all this year is beyond me. I feel so foolish now for defending the Wii U. The PS360 fanboys are gonna have a field day with this one.

We’ve already heard that Wii U developers have received their final development kits for the console, but what do surprises do they contain? Well according to a source over at Neogaf the latest dev kits allow for voice chat, multitasking and facial recognition. Here’s a supposed list of the latest features:

• Video Chat is available, but must be from the main menu of the system (not while playing a game).
• Voice Commands are available (similar to this rumor we heard about the 3DS maybe?)
• Facial Recognition (similar to features of the Xbox Kinect)
• Ability to suspend games, similar to 3DS.
• Ability to share achievements with friends by sending videos or screenshots with drawings on them.
• Watch a friend play online
• Multitasking (example: keep a text or video walkthrough open from the site while playing the game, swap back and forth as needed)

http://mynintendonew...wii-u-dev-kits/

The bolded ones are tasks which current gen consoles cannot complete. How many times have you had to close a game on the 360 dashboard or PS3 just to go browse some guide or pause a game while answering a message on Live. Watching a friend play is a big feature as it can allow you to see how to beat a certain section of the game you struggle with, view gameplay footage of a game you might be interested in, or just see how other ppl play. It may be Wii U's killer online feature. The facial recognition was expected with the Kinect being out now. Voice commands is interesting. The rest were expected.

Sony is blue now. Microsoft was always green. Nintendo was red for most generations except for the Wii and midway through the GameCube.

To me, going red is a combination of nostalgia of the old days (bringing back some gamers who ditched Nintendo for the PS1 or Xbox) and also looking more hardcore and intense instead of white game cases (PS3 being clear cases with black and Xbox being green looks much better than the generic white cases of the Wii)

So, should Nintendo start branding their stuff Red or stick with the blue and white?




Red 3DS cases in Japan:

Mock Wii U case with Red theme:

Blue is my Uncle's favorite color.

Random lol.

My hope was Nintendo would go back to their red logo and make the Wii U look white, grey and red. Have the "Wii" as grey and the "U" as red and the console white with red trimmings, a red tray light and home button light, and some grey lines as well.

Something like these 10 minute shops I did with Gimp (the poor man's Photoshop)




I mean like, the 3DS is already branded as black and red, and Nintendo does use the red Nintendo logo on game cases and the back of game cases. Why not share the themes as they are similiar products? PS3 and Vita are now blue themed. Apple's iProducts are all similarly colored in white or black. Microsoft brands all there stuff in green. Nintendo needs to use Red like in the good old days. Red cases for 3DS games and red Wii U game cases.

Red 3DS cases in Japan:

Mock Wii U case with Red theme: