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#61 InsaneLaw

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 02:50 PM

I know that, I've lived in the UK since I was born (21 years and counting) I'm a born and bred Londoner as a matter of fact, and that wasn't my point, release dates are usually on a Friday in the UK.

Plus, Amazon have taken it down now

Edited by InsaneLaw, 13 June 2012 - 02:53 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2012 - 04:25 PM

that means, those who preoredered it, got it in half the price? (londoners are horrible people and funny, I lived in the coast, east Sussex, 40 minutes by train in london or from london. So every Sunday the whole london moved in the area I lived, you couldnt MOVE.. and they loot bazillion of stuff, I remember walking in the shopping center, and the alarms ring every second!! But I also thing that "looting" is a short of tradition there... lol

I lived in the uk, at the time with Blair government (2004-2007)... I also hate ur spiders...

Edited by Orion, 13 June 2012 - 05:31 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2012 - 05:31 PM

Sony I can certainly see pulling out of the video game industry if PS4 loses as much money as the PS3 did. After all, their game department seems to be full of idiots, so I would not be totally surprised to see them lose money again. However, Microsoft will probably be fine for quite a while. Not only are they not total morons, but they've got a boatload of money, so even if they did lose as much money as Sony did, they'd be fine. Their only real competitor is Apple, and there's no way Apple can take all of Microsofts business away.


I wouldnt mind if Nintendo and Microsoft teamed up somehow to try to take down apple, i hate apple they are the scourge of the earth the way they monopolize the music industry with their $.99 and $1.29 it makes me sick, they are the real enemy of everyone they need to be destroyed

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:03 PM

I wouldnt mind if Nintendo and Microsoft teamed up somehow to try to take down apple, i hate apple they are the scourge of the earth the way they monopolize the music industry with their $.99 and $1.29 it makes me sick, they are the real enemy of everyone they need to be destroyed

Uh, thats a little harsh there, and very extreme. Your trying to tell me you hate them for making cheap music and apps? I'm pretty sure most people would disagree :) I myself love OSX, so much sleeker than microsoft. Sadly, not as many games are made for mac, so I use bootcamp to run windows and play my PC games.

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 06:18 PM

Uh, thats a little harsh there, and very extreme. Your trying to tell me you hate them for making cheap music?


cheap music????? since when is a dollar for one song cheap? music should be free for the people, bands can make their money off of concerts and merch :) :)

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 08:40 PM

if apple makes a console they are doomed. They are known for their bad customer service and cheap materials. And if they make a console, is going to be pricy.. They have no good experience or background for it.

I think steam is the one who tries to find a founder and make a netbox (console), because the steam pcs are not selling! Some companies make some steam pc with a gaming OS... Looks like a console, but it includes a modern pc tech.. http://www.tqcast.co...sole-steam-box/

Who ever buy this, is very stupid.. hehehe And if I remember well, valve also had an appointment with Apple.. So basically they search for the right formula.. I tell them, there isnt any.. If they want it exclusively online..

Edited by Orion, 13 June 2012 - 08:50 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2012 - 08:52 PM

Uh, thats a little harsh there, and very extreme. Your trying to tell me you hate them for making cheap music and apps? I'm pretty sure most people would disagree :) I myself love OSX, so much sleeker than microsoft. Sadly, not as many games are made for mac, so I use bootcamp to run windows and play my PC games.

You should try out Linux. :o You can have it look similar without the price tag. ;)
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 11:18 PM

that means, those who preoredered it, got it in half the price? (londoners are horrible people and funny, I lived in the coast, east Sussex, 40 minutes by train in london or from london. So every Sunday the whole london moved in the area I lived, you couldnt MOVE.. and they loot bazillion of stuff, I remember walking in the shopping center, and the alarms ring every second!! But I also thing that "looting" is a short of tradition there... lol

I lived in the uk, at the time with Blair government (2004-2007)... I also hate ur spiders...


Funnily enough, I live in East Sussex at the moment, in Falmer near Brighton (I go to Sussex Uni).

But yah, whoever got a pre-order in got a good deal.

Edited by InsaneLaw, 13 June 2012 - 11:18 PM.


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 05:16 AM

You should try out Linux. :o You can have it look similar without the price tag. ;)

I've actually used it, but it's just not that same as OSX. It's better than windows, so I'd use it, but I'm cool with Mac :) Plus, while a lot of games don't run on mac, a ton of applications do. Some of which are actually better than what you get on Windows or Linux.

cheap music????? since when is a dollar for one song cheap? music should be free for the people, bands can make their money off of concerts and merch :) :)

Good luck with that. It's not like it's new to charge for music anyways, people have been doing it since the invention of the Phonograph. You want free music, make it yourself or check out Limewire :)

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 06:00 AM

Wow at the placeholder price being used as if it were some kind of proof of thats inside the system.

Im noticing the same logical shortcomings repeating, so im done here.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:28 AM

Ok I will show u something... http://www.amazon.co...ils_o00_s00_i00

This price, is proving me, that wii U is a minor update of 360.. And Iwata said, they will not loose money from the hardware.. And normally, after the release, Amazon.. ALWAYS reduce the price by 15% and that means, wii U will cost around 169-179 pounds. 20 euro more expensive than xbox360 and ps3.

SO stop calling (a couple of u, hater).. Just call me a short of guy, who dont wish to go back in the current consoles :P . Because I quited them 4 years ago.

They took the price down and aren't honoring the preorders. That's Amazon UK for ya

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:30 AM

no they made an article.. that those who pre ordered it, they are lucky, because the user agreement for the pre-order, has a warranty on it.!!!.. And the price is about 100pounds more.. lol... and Wii U yesterday was number 1 in pre-order list... top sellers... Yesterday...

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:36 AM

And now they've cancelled the pre-orders due to the mistake.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:39 AM

no they made an article.. that those who pre ordered it, they are lucky, because the user agreement for the pre-order, has a warranty on it.!!!.. And the price is about 100pounds more.. lol... and Wii U yesterday was number 1 in pre-order list... top sellers... Yesterday...

Check it
http://www.gamezone.com/products/wii-u/news/amazon-uk-lists-wii-u-for-199-cancels-pre-orders

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:41 AM

Oh cheeky, they found excuse because of black wii U.. haha.. .well I didnt pre-ordered it, I said it from the beginning, I will wait for hardware reviews, I want to know exactly what I am buying if I am buying :)
The same thing happened to me once with canon eos 5dmark 2 (2k dslr camera) and they posted it as a 100 pounds camera... I ordered 4 of them.. HAHAHAHAHA ...but they canceled my order.. sigh.. Not amazon though..

Edited by Orion, 14 June 2012 - 10:43 AM.


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 04:32 PM

I've actually used it, but it's just not that same as OSX. It's better than windows, so I'd use it, but I'm cool with Mac :) Plus, while a lot of games don't run on mac, a ton of applications do. Some of which are actually better than what you get on Windows or Linux.

I've only used OSX on my school's computers but from what I can see, there's not too much of a difference. Especially considering how customizable it is you could probably get it to behave exactly the same or better. :P And as for applications... I don't know. I dualboot Windows and Linux (Ubuntu, used to use Pinguy) but if I didn't, I'd just run them through Wine or Virtual Machine. I don't really like Apple and my experience with trying to get an old Clamshell to run isn't making it much better! xD I think the CD drive died on me, which is annoying because the OS isn't behaving and I can't install from USB so I need to buy a firewire adaptor. Boo.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 11:04 PM

I still don't get why people are trying to seperate powerpc from power cpus. The reason the powerpc range became the power range was because motorola and apple pulled out of funding development and IBM were left to go it alone. Yes the Power range are later developments but its the same processor family in real terms. Often the Cell processor is described as powerpc and power based.

The mass produced final dev kit spec stated powerpc architecture which surely can still be a power cpu. Clearly the wii U cpu has to run wii powerpc code and its not fast enough to emulate. Its clear at least one of the cpu cores is going to be configured for wii mode otherwise it won't be able to run wii games. So its likely one core could be 720mhz and perhaps the other 2 are much faster. The 3DS has a arm11 cpu that is compatible with the DS arm chip. It takes a performance hit in 3DS mode because of this because part of the arm chip is configured the same way as the DS arm chip. However with regard the DS gpu the 3DS actually has the mali gpu integrated within its main chip for running DS games.

Couldn't the wii U be configured the same way. One cpu core is wii mode compatible and the original wii gpu is duplicated within the wii u.

It may be in wii mode the whole wii u cpu goes down to 720mhz speed there abouts and it may quadruple in speed in wii U mode.


The wii u is PowerPC compatible simply by virtue of utilizing a Power architecture. The Power chips include the entire PowerPC instruction set. Nintendo will have simply needed to include in the Wii U OS some translation code since Power 7 does work a bit different than previous Power chips, including 6. No special cores needed, etc. just a bit of code, which IBM has most assuredly provided as part of their partnership.

Wii games on wii u is a piece of cake.

And even one wii u CPU core could emulate the wii easily. But the CPU is built to share demand amongst the cores. With the CPU being so far advanced beyond the wii in terms of bother architecture, core numbers, a d clock speed. Nothing special has to be in place to run wii games.

if apple makes a console they are doomed. They are known for their bad customer service and cheap materials. And if they make a console, is going to be pricy.. They have no good experience or background for it.

I think steam is the one who tries to find a founder and make a netbox (console), because the steam pcs are not selling! Some companies make some steam pc with a gaming OS... Looks like a console, but it includes a modern pc tech.. http://www.tqcast.co...sole-steam-box/

Who ever buy this, is very stupid.. hehehe And if I remember well, valve also had an appointment with Apple.. So basically they search for the right formula.. I tell them, there isnt any.. If they want it exclusively online..


Wow. Extremely misinformed. Apple is known for the best materials in their products and outstanding customer service. Been that way for many years now.

MS had. I background for a console with Xbox and that worked out well. Apple makes far better products than Microsoft, both in hardware and software. That's why Apple mobile devices as well as their Mac personal computer lines are selling like hotcakes and gaining market share.

Apple builds high end, focused products that are the best at what they do. Sometimes they purposely do not include some features that detract from the product focus. It has served them well.

If Apple ever makes a games console for hardcore gaming (apple tv and iOS games don't count), it may be pricey, but that's because it will be the most powerful, best looking, most reliable and enjoyable system to use.

I wish they would. But don't think they will. That would be fun to make games for.

Apples already got the expertise, the ultra efficient mobile OS, the chip partnerships, and their own custom hardware team for industrial design (I've and co.) as well as processors and circuitry (PA Semi, which was purchased by Apple). Apple also has a stranglehold on the NAND flash market. So much potential for them to do this.

Until then, Nintendo is a good bet this generation. They also build reliable, powerful, focused hardware (excluding wii). And the wii u hasn't shown it's cards yet.

Edited by Socalmuscle, 15 June 2012 - 10:52 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:01 AM

wow really, I am misinformed... wow yeah.. lol..


Thtats why most of their products are problematic and Apple denyes DOA.. They brake every counties lows as they believe they are appon that. right.. misinformed.. lol

Article: HT4044

About LCD display pixel anomalies for Apple products released in 2010 and later



Products Affected
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2010), iMac (21.5-inch, Mid 2011), iPod nano (5th generation), iMac (21.5-inch, Mid 2010), iMac (27-inch, Mid 2010), MacBook Pro (17-inch, Mid 2010), iPad, MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011), MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2011), MacBook (13-inch, Mid 2010), MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2010), iPad 2, iPod touch 8GB (2nd Generation), MacBook Air (11-inch, Mid 2011), MacBook Pro (15-inch, Early 2011), iPhone 4, MacBook Air (Late 2010), MacBook Air (13-inch, Mid 2011), iMac (27-inch, Mid 2011) https://discussions..../article/HT4044

Thats why, they use AMD hardware parts that are for cheap mainstream or mobile systems and sells them 4-5-6x times the original price... yeah.. righ I am misinformed. Maybe you live in the world of "those who tells u what is trend and what is not" bubbles... :)

And here is my opinion, every company that f#$#$s the customer must and should be punished.. Companies that dont respect customers are, Sony, Ea, Apple and well.. the least growing up...

Edited by Orion, 16 June 2012 - 12:07 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:23 AM

If you talk about bad products and bad customer service youd better look at microsoft than apple...

I dont know one company who didnt had issues with lcd screen one time or another!...

And about an apple console maybe you dont remeber the "pippin"!!

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:09 AM

wow really, I am misinformed... wow yeah.. lol..


Thtats why most of their products are problematic and Apple denyes DOA.. They brake every counties lows as they believe they are appon that. right.. misinformed.. lol

Article: HT4044

About LCD display pixel anomalies for Apple products released in 2010 and later



Products Affected
MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2010), iMac (21.5-inch, Mid 2011), iPod nano (5th generation), iMac (21.5-inch, Mid 2010), iMac (27-inch, Mid 2010), MacBook Pro (17-inch, Mid 2010), iPad, MacBook Pro (13-inch, Early 2011), MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2011), MacBook (13-inch, Mid 2010), MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2010), iPad 2, iPod touch 8GB (2nd Generation), MacBook Air (11-inch, Mid 2011), MacBook Pro (15-inch, Early 2011), iPhone 4, MacBook Air (Late 2010), MacBook Air (13-inch, Mid 2011), iMac (27-inch, Mid 2011) https://discussions..../article/HT4044

Thats why, they use AMD hardware parts that are for cheap mainstream or mobile systems and sells them 4-5-6x times the original price... yeah.. righ I am misinformed. Maybe you live in the world of "those who tells u what is trend and what is not" bubbles... :)

And here is my opinion, every company that f#$#$s the customer must and should be punished.. Companies that dont respect customers are, Sony, Ea, Apple and well.. the least growing up...


Lol

You pick out an item. And pixel anomolies? Even tv and monitor manufa turners deal with that constantly. Nintendo does too. And you do realize that those display panels come from sharp, Samsung, lg, etc right? Lol

Countless things can be looked at from any company. But apple does more than their fair share of actually fixing problems and providing not only the best hardware and software, but the best customer service as well.

AMD parts? You sure about that? Maybe the ATI GPU on some models. But they are with nvidia as well. Concerning CPU, apple uses core I series. Not anything low end at all Seriously, you are just sounding trolling now. And woefully missing out on the facts.

Consider their new retina display MacBook pro with 16gb ram capacity and crazy good screen. The unibody design as well is great. Consider the build materials: aluminum and glass.

Apple goes to the. next level in building their machines. The high end hardware, the great materials and engineering of the casing, great displays, and reliability unmatched by the windows world. Their support consistently gets high marks as well.

Yes. Sorry. You are misinformed. If you want to argue, please don't do it with someone who actually knows the situation. You do yourself no favors.




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