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#300623 GAMER-GATE

Posted by Bill Cipher on 18 October 2014 - 05:17 PM

I looked at the twitter links and Saw about 25% of the posts for GG having insults, with 20ish% being StopGamerGate

 

Not going to bother to quote your post, but it does bring up a valid point.

 

By claiming that 

 

The people you're throwing your hat in with are SJWs, and SJWs are verified scum. And on this side they're not a fringe group, they are the driving force.

 

 

Is a complete and utter lie. Now, I'm not GOING to say that SJWs aren't morons at moments. Trust me, I read TumblrInAction. The ideas that WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL AND AUTOMATICALLY DESERVE TO DIE AND THEN EVERYTHING WOULD BE FIXED, as well as the ideas that Mental Disabilities are something to be flaunted around like a sticker are so stupid I'd be tempted to think that these people would support an alien race coming down, destroying all the countries with white people in them, and then setting up a new regime BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL.As a Cis guy, I KNOW We've done some straight up NASTY crap throughout history, but the past is the past. We can't Fix it by killing the opressors, we have to work to make a system where there ARE no oppressors.

 

However, to lump SJWs as the driving force behind the Anti-GamerGate movement is stupid.  I'm an EQUALIST. I believe in Social Justice(And equality, in case my thing wasn't clear). You're right, that a large part of GamerGate WANTS active change and isn't part of the harassment. But let me tell you a story:

 

Germany, following the end of WW1, was under heavy heavy losses. They, despite NOT being the instigator, had been fined with the entire guilt of the war and the costs with it. This wasn't fair, and many people underneath the Weimar Republic began to try and fix the problems. One of these groups was the Nazis. Now, in NO WAY am I comparing GamerGate to Nazis, but this analogy works for this story.

 

Part of the reasons why the Nazi Party was ABLE to be successful was not racism, or prejudice, or those various negative factors. Those were important, but the NUMBER one reason IMO that they were successful is that they gave the Geman people an IDEA to strive towards. Instead of pitying itself and being inefficent, like the Weimar Republic had been, Nazi Germany was able to bounce back from being in the worst place it had been to being one of the most powerful countries in the world over the span of 15 Years IIRC.

 

This sense of community is what I see in GamerGate. They came together with a common goal: To try and FIX the corruption in the Gaming Industry much like the Nazi's rose into power by trying to fix the issues with Germany and the Weimar Republic. However, this is the main reason why I chose to use this example: The good turned into crap QUICKLY due to there being some underlying factors in the entirity of the foundation.

 

In the Nazi's case, this was the racism they had. The head of the Weimar Republic CHOSE to form a joint union with Hitler because IIRC Hitler was able to be controlled. Hitler, being HITLER, then pulled off a bunch of stuff to corrupt the system. Once again, this isn't a perfect analogy as the Nazi Party had a LOT more crap going on at the start, but I'm still using it. GamerGate, which like the Nazi's gathered a substantial following, had crap beginning to leak through it. 

 

The point of this very long winded thing(which I'm trying to shorten now) is that what starts off as a noble idea can become corrupted VERY, VERY quickly. I do not doubt that a portion of GG believes they are doing the right thing, just like a portion of Nazi Supporters believed that actions taken would be the right thing for Germany. ONCE AGAIN, not comparing GG to Nazi Germany. The idea of Communism, for instance, is one that ultimately sounds ideal(At least to me): Everyone is Equal economically and socially. However, this idea got interpretted by the USSR and various other communists to become "Everyone is the SAME." There's a story about Telephone in here somewhere, but I've got no time for that.

 

In Summation, GamerGate is a noble idea in theory: Weed out the corruption in the gaming industry. However, just like any good idea, this idea can become co-opted and used for less then savoury means. It doesn't MATTER if there's still a group of people who believe in it's core ideas, the entire subject itself is a rotten apple. As I said, I'm an equalist, and since most people inquire what I mean, I have to explain it. By saying I'm a socialist economically, you WOULD not believe the crap I get. I've chosen to move on from it and have begun to use the term Equalist. GamerGate, I think, would do well to do the same. Burn the ship, start over, and create a new movement based around this. Focus on the corruption between the various promotions and companies, focus upon the idea that reviews are supposed to be SUBJECTIVE(you can't write an objective review if it's art. That's not how it works.), or the very ideas that PR Managers tend to be taken from Journalism sites. This is WHAT the DoritosGate Thread on GAF was for, but it got hijacked by the GGers.




#300512 GAMER-GATE

Posted by storabajskorven on 16 October 2014 - 12:04 PM

No we don't.

And the reason this could be important is because, while everyone agree that there's something wrong with game journalism, nothing has ever actually been done about it. Gamers have never stood up and said "This is wrong, and you guys are being shady. Fix it, or lose your customers." and if no one ever dose that, nothing will ever change. At least not for the better. But I can guarantee things will change for the worse.

 

OK, my opinion on that is that gamergate started for the wrong reasons and it has become worse and worse all the time. I think it's a bit crazy to think that this could be used for anything good, even if I know that some people would like that. The thing that you, and the rest of us, want gamers to stand up and say should be said, but definitely not through gamergate, because of what it is, and has been all the time. I am also very certain that gamergate has already changed things for the worse.

 

So, the question is: is it possible to start some kind of movement against what we can agree upon is wrong with the gaming industry + journalism without having the misogynist feminist-bashers and other arseholes hijacking it? Sadly, right now I think the answer is no. What do you think?



Once again, none of you have answered my question; Do any of you have a twitter account you frequently use?

 

Sorry, forgot to answer... Yes, I have and I do.



Oh, and I know the origins of gamergate have been discussed in this thread already, and that we don't really debate that part of it, but this is a good sum-up, where all the origins are on display:

 

https://storify.com/...ns-of-gamergate

 

(This is not meant as a reply to the debate, just as info for the curious.)




#300508 GAMER-GATE

Posted by 3Dude on 16 October 2014 - 11:18 AM

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#300494 GAMER-GATE

Posted by storabajskorven on 16 October 2014 - 03:14 AM

Come on, this is stupid. Everyone agrees that there are problems with gaming "journalism" in that it often, directly or indirectly, gets its money from the industry. A debate about how this works and to what extent would be interesting and welcome. So far, I think everyone agrees, so there is on need to discuss that. This "gamergate" business started as someone trying to take completely personal issues and make them public, to get revenge on someone he thought had done wrong to him. This I think is also well known. We also all agree that MOST of what has been coming out of "gamergate" is just a completely misogynist rainbowefest. So what's left to discuss? Whether or not some issues raised by gg might be of benefit to the discussion? Is that really worth continuing this insult tennis match you're playing now?




#257493 Positive articles popping up

Posted by grahamf on 22 November 2013 - 05:10 PM

Makes sense. Before people were comparing a released system to unreleased systems. They knew all of the pros and cons of the Wii U, but they only knew what M$ or Son¥ told them. No matter what it was not a fair comparison.




#244130 Bethesda: Nintendo didn’t engage third-party enough before Wii U reveal

Posted by Aiddon on 04 September 2013 - 06:31 AM

Needless to say when Nintendo becomes profitable they'll have to make a huge apology to Nintendo 

 

They won't; thing is Western 3rd parties are too proud and arrogant to admit fault with anything. When the 3DS bounced back not one Western 3rd party went back to it despite the system being an easy gold mine. Indie devs have been more accommodating, but the major 3rd parties seem to be more interested in bankrupting themselves




#241616 An 8 yearold boy shoots and kills her 90 yearold grandmother after playing GTA4

Posted by Mewbot on 25 August 2013 - 10:14 PM

America needs to fix it's gun laws.




#240466 Minecraft is now available on Sony consoles

Posted by Tom on 20 August 2013 - 11:55 AM

There can't be a Wii U version.

 

It would make too much sense.




#241428 fighting game community makes Nicalis drop 3DS game to develop it for Vita

Posted by Gaymer on 25 August 2013 - 11:09 AM

Good, now the 5 people who own a Vita can buy this game! They totally didn't want that money. Bunch of idiots.


#239039 Have you forgiven Microsoft yet?

Posted by KingBoo on 13 August 2013 - 06:24 PM

hahahaha forgive M$.......haha




#235416 "Nintendo is going to be here in 100 years"

Posted by BanjoKazooie on 27 July 2013 - 05:22 PM

Iwata is the man. I used to not like him, but after I heard him say this a couple weeks ago, my respect level for him went up by a thousand. This is a man who stands up to his millions of share holders and says "NO, that isn't what I'm going to do". Lay offs are bad, and he knows it has negative affects on morale, and that will show through in their games. He deserves a slow clap.


#235411 "Nintendo is going to be here in 100 years"

Posted by Mignaga on 27 July 2013 - 05:11 PM

I think the real question is if they will be here in a wonderful 101 years.

 

Also, I love Iwata, that is all. 




#236458 IGN: Nintendo should look to new hardware, If Wii U doesn't pick up

Posted by Aiddon on 01 August 2013 - 04:39 PM

Why does everyone think ditching the Wii U is a good idea? That'd probably make Nintendo lose more money plus lots of people would be ticked about having their fairly new console obsolete so quickly.

 

Because Western media pundits have no attention span and can't grasp the concept of long-term thinking. Hell, Western gaming in general can't seem to think long-term as evidenced by reducing themselves to living from one AAA release to another. Not exactly a stable model to live on.




#236450 IGN: Nintendo should look to new hardware, If Wii U doesn't pick up

Posted by Chrop on 01 August 2013 - 04:17 PM

Keza Macdonald is utterly stupid, how is new hardware going to fix the problem? 

1. The people who bought the Wii u are going to be raging. Most likely won't buy the new console, leaving that to sell a ton worse than the Wii U.

2. The games for the Wii U will be canceled (screwing the people who bought the Wii U in the first place even more).

3. Cost a BOMB of money. 

4. Third parties are still going to hate it. They will find a reason

5. The hardware ISN'T THE PROBLEM!

6. A console that has no games isn't selling... OH NO! Better get new hardware! Brilliant thinking!!!




#234633 Activision thinks you all are a bunch of whiny a**holes

Posted by 3Dude on 25 July 2013 - 04:15 AM

No they didnt. They called a section of their call of duty drones whiny little aholes, and it was well deserved too.

Death threats and garbage email bombing and other forms of harrassment are unacceptable period. ESPECIALLY over something as trivial as updating game balancing.

On the other hand. What did you expect Activision? You spent years creating games to specifically appeal to, promote, and train this specific personality type. What other kind of person would keep buying the same crap over and over and over again? Only those whiny little a$$holes.

You created your monster, Dr. Frankenstein. Now you must deal with it.




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