Usman Mohammad

I guess I was to late to contribute to the discussion as many know I am a big Windows 8 advocate and have been so since the developer preview.

I've been using it on my desktops for ages, (have the final RTM version for a while), and it works well with keyboard and mouse.

Out of curiosity have ever actually gone to the desktop for anything? I have hardly touched the desktop on a proper desktop machine which I find weird. I just keep using the WinRT apps and hardly any Win32/Desktop programs.

I haven't pre-ordered and did the right thing of waiting and seeing. This is really a poor performance from Nintendo, what ever happened to them stepping up with their online. This is one of the reasons why Nintendo isn't an option for most gamers on other platforms, they clearly are doing it wrong, if this rumour is true.

I just came off from the GoNintendo forums and the comments we're the most one sided Nintendo fanboy comments I have ever seen, stuff like "I don't care about multiplayer, so no problem for me". What strikes me, if this rumour is true, there's a whole 1GB of RAM for the OS, for Mii Verse, but yet how can it not have the support for a system wide voice chat option. I doubt Nintendo are that stupid to not think about system wide voice chat, the box has something written about Wii U chat. I guess we'll find out in a month, but if this rumour is true, then how am I supposed to take Nintendo seriously if they can't get system wide voice chat on their console that has more memory than the 360 and PS3 (where the 360 has party chat, and don't give me the excuse of PS3 doesn't have it too, we're in 2012, PS3 was made in 2006, the reason why it isn't in PS3 is because there isn't enough RAM).

How is Nintendo supposed to capture the other gamers that play on PS3 and 360, especially since 360 users are enjoying party chat. Even the PS Vita has cross game chat. If I can't see Nintendo getting serious with this new console (lack of information, a month away from release and still no idea how online works) then how are others, cosidering I was a potential launch day buyer for this console.

When was this ever confirmed? At the press confrence, the Activision guy said that the Wii U version would be the same as the other versions. So you would think they would put DLC on there also. (Talking about CoD.)

Exactly, they never stated anything like that, they never confirmed or denied, I'll try ask vonderhaar today. However yesterday I went to the dev session and pretty much they're still under NDA and they can't talk specifics of the Wii U version, so they can't say if it is native 1080p. Though what he did say is that the PC 360 and PS3 are basically on equal footing (well obviously PC is going to be better because of hard but in terms of the game in general, for those console versions there isn't a superior version).

Oh no Nintendo said not to compare so we shouldn't compare. Oh please, we're consumers, we use our, in most cases, hard earned cash and many don't believe it's worth the investment in purchasing a Wii U this year when they could spend that money on other things that they believe are worth while. When the new consoles come out then it will be a competition, they will be competiting for market share and value for money, not only against each other but other electronic goods like tablets, hybrids, PCs and PMPs ($299 for an iPod touch 4th gen, who in their right mind would get that over a Kindle fire HD that smokes the new iPad and is $100 cheaper and is 7 inches).

We're consumers, we want to get the most out of our money and many believe Nintendo isn't worth the investment, and in a years time we will see what position the other consoles are, they could provide more value to consumers than a Wii U that's well worth the $50-$100 extra, or that the Wii U has a strong line up of games by end of next year, or in the worst case scenario, most people that bought a console don't purchase new ones because they can still play their call of duty on their old system or they spent money on things that help in their every day lives, like a Android/WindowsRT/Windows8 hybrid/iPad.

That's because there isn't much left to it really xD

Now that would be a major let down, mainly because of it literally being true windows at the core of the OS, and not Windows CE 6.x (Windows compact embeddded, was used in PDAs back then, when memory etc etc was very small, now phones are catching up to PCs in terms of specs, so it now has the true Windows Core).

Microsoft's been saying we'll save the consumer features till later, and it's literally a month from launch.

Thing is both Microsoft and Nintendo are trying to do an Apple effect, but it just won't work, the thing with Apple is they'll announce every thing at once relating to their product. Where as these companies are just leaving empty holes.

Thing with both of them is that they have to prove themselves to consumers that they're serious about what they're doing and they're going in full force, but yet how are we supposed to share our interest with others when the fans themselves don't know everything that should be known. We know a few things and how they'll work (MiiVerse for Nintendo, the Windows Phone 8 development stuff for Microsoft (Which I understand very well as a very very very amateur programmer)).

Well that's my rant about companies relying on their fans and not sharing everything that's possible.

One very important factor for me is portability, which the AverMedia excels in. Price is also very important and while the C281 isn't exactly the cheapest out there, it will offer the best "bang for your buck".

Oh and btw, I do have a thunderbolt computer (family shared), but it's the ultra-pathetic Macbook Pro with 5400rpm 320 GB HDD, so thunderbolt will 1000% (yes 1000 was intentional) be bottle-necked by that.

I have my self-built USB 3.0 desktop, but as you say, USB 3 doesn't seem to easy to handle. I will be recording in 720p to start off, but if I can grow a bit, maybe I'll try the higher-priced models.

I'd say go for it, It's that big of an issue, and to use an intensity capture device, you would need other seperate software to handle encoding and recording.

GPU obviously is better than PS3/360 that's genuinely a given, it's near impossible for it to be weaker.

Secondly CPU wise, slower clock speed doesn't mean weaker, it just means less power consumption, and less heat if it were clocked higher. You can't compare clock speeds between different processors, it just doesn't work like that, processors are different. Perfect example are server processors, they can be clocked at just 3Ghz, but they do a lot more processing than a 3.5Ghz i7.

Even if the CPU is weak, that's where the GPU comes in. it's a GPGPU, I doubt the GPU is ever under full 100% load, so there's always some performance left and since it's a general purpose GPU, it can do processes that a CPU can.

75 watts and 40 watts average 75 maxed out all guns a BLAZZING

the amd gpus that this console would run of range from 25watts to 50 watts then we look at the nm its 45nm wiiu its 40nm for the lastest and some of the latest amd E class gpus and gpus

then we can look at power draw for 55nm and 40nm gpus its clear that nintendo is using very low wattage cpu cores = powerpc 476fp type cpus in broadway spec not fp

then ad the edram instead of sram for catch IF EDRAM IS IN FACT BEING USED  thats again a lower power draw 3x powerpc fp at 1.6ghz = 4.8 watts for 3x core a dsp and a arm co cpu we can easy be looking at no more than 7 watts

a top of the range E class amd gpu like the one at nintengen rumored to be the wiiu gpu with 1gb ram is 35 watts at 40nm

the gpu in wiiu was based on amd 55nm then shrunk to 45nm with 32mb edram that plus the 2 pools of ram MAXED OUT could be 50 ish watts thats leaving 25 for the drive etc

its clearly the gpu at full power that eats up power the cpu is clearly all said and done below 10 watts including co processors i wouldnt be supprised if the gpu alone was 45 watts leaving 30 watts for the whole system - gpu

amb 4670 8 rops shrunk customized and 32 mb edram added (at 55 nm with ram this card was 58 watts 750mhz i think)  at 45nm tweeked and polished with edram not counting ram it could easy be 45 watts @ 800 mhz

Nothing wrong with PPC 4xx.

But it's not Power7.

However, Power7 has the entire PPC instruction set included.

Power7 is 45nm, SOI.  It's humorous and tragic at the same time that anyone sees a manufacturing process similarity and equates two different products.

This is not the stock Power7 chip.

If it was PPC4xx, IBM would have said so.  There is a difference.

The foundation of the chip is Power7.  That is the architecture.  That Power7 architecture specific has been customized to suit the Wii U console.

the fact that IBM is stating Power7 time and again is VERY telling.  They know the difference.  They are stating that because IT IS A POWER7.

Period.

/thread.

BREAKING NEWS:

IBM replied to my twitter and well...

https://twitter.com/...820933618442240

As I expected, their press statement never said Power7 back in 2011. IBM has been saying Power 7 on twitter but this is the first time that they are not confirming such. It's power based, nothing exactly saying Power7.

So with the evidence Happening is providing, we can assume that it's very possible to be PPC4xx, and more than happy to admit being wrong if this is true

Ok a lot of people may not know who these people are, but they are people that appear often on the Twit network and Guys From Queens. These are Webcasts by industry experts about technology industry, guests include people from numerous tech sites such as Engadget, VentureBeat, Gizmodo, TheVerge, 9 to 5 Mac, ZDNet and so on. It's like a webcast with a colaboration of major news sites, but is run independantly by Twit and GFQ teams.

So if anyone is into tech and wants to learn a lot more, just tune into Twit and GFQ.

Introduction out of the way, who are the people I'm talking about?

Tom Merrit - Does Tech News Today on Twit
Andrew Zarian - Runs the GFQ network
Paul Thurrot - Microsoft Specialist that talks about Microsoft news, is on What the Tech on GFQ, and Windows Weekly on Twit.

People from the chat and possibly forums will know I know a lot about Microsoft in general, and that's by just watching these webcasts and they really go indepth about what realistically Apple, Microsoft, Google etc are doing in their seperate dedicated shows on Twit.

Now introductions are deffinetely out of the way.

Tom Merrit Praising TVii

Usually tech journalists have moved to a streaming living room, Apple TV, Roku, Boxee etc, where these little devices stream video content etc from services.

So in this episode of frame rate - Show that's dedicated to media, they praise TVii as the streaming system they have dreamed of. Also watch the shazam bit, they are still talking about TVii

http://twit.tv/show/frame-rate/93

Paul Thurrot and Andrew Zarian liking Wii U
This is on What The Tech, a show on the GFQ network that focusses the week in tech. Both Zarian and Thurrot praise the Wii U. They both have a killer feature that they would mention but that's for next week show.

http://www.guysfromq...ep-133-9-18-12/

Gaming talk starts : 49 minutes, 26 seconds.
Nintendo Wii U praise (sort of) : brief mention at 58 minutes, talk at: 1 hour mark, but tease next week's show is console focussed and will talk about Wii U.

ya but reggie said two e3's ago it's a given!

It's nintnedo, a lot of things are a given but they never seem to implement it properly. I just hope this is not a standalone app/channel/software, because that would just be pontless like PS3s party chat feature. Since i'm sure you would only be able to use it outside of a game and not while playing, if the chat software is a stand alone software.

What I hope they do is get skype on board, it may be owned by MS but at the end of the day MS is services company they're more happy for a wide number of people to use there services than just people with Microsoft Accounts/Windows Live accounts. So it will be a win for Nintendo, a win for Microsoft and a win for the consumer because they won't be locked down into properitary hardware chat only.

It would be cool if you could face time using the game-pad. Maybe thats what it means??

This is the first time I've heard someone call general video calling face time. Usually people say skyping or just video calling, so I'm shocked at how Apple's word is now used for something that has always existed, long before face time.

res above 1080p is irrelivent consoles play on tvs the amount of 4k nonsense i see is shocking and again its people callinmg resolution graphics there INEPT

can anyone tell me this i cannot find the info i did once know it but im kinda at a loss the x360s 10mb edram is it 256bit bus to gpu or 512 bit im sure it was 256 bit as the gddr3 was 128 bit

512 vs 256 bits edram,,, i just want to get the numbers right im sure wiiu will be 512 bit or dual 512bit if theres a texture catch in there

You're right, 4K pannels are $20,000 they won't reach mass market until the end of the decade, and yes it's stupid to see how people believe the resolution is an indication of what the graphics are going to be like.

When ever mentions 4K gaming, I just laugh at them, current hardware can't run those resolutions to play the game in the same quality as you can in 1080p, and wont for a considerable number of years. By the time we get to that, games running in 1080p/1200p or even 2560X1600 will look a lot better and getter better frame rates than a 4K game.

People just don't understand that.

PSNext 4k? Please, current affordable graphics cards have trouble running games at decent quality at 2560X1600 at 60fps. 4K  is a no go, but the thing is current GPUs (Nvidia 600 series and AMD 7000) series can support 4K output, for like movies and computer desktops, but games are just a no go.

If these people want to say the Wii U is going to be outdated at least do some research, state that how games like starwars 1313 are a clear example of what next gen should be and that if rumours of the Wii U having a R700 GPU then it will be in trouble, as recently the 7000 and 600 series GPUs have had a major architecture change, that allows them to get crazy performance and with technologies like TXAA, offer FXAA at a lower hit at frame rates.

That's what they should be comparing, a lot of these Nintendo are losing articles have no idea about game performance, they know nothing about the PC gaming space to even try to understand the console gaming space.

What would be better for the Wii U, a hard drive or SD card. I prefer hard drives, but I don't see any slot where you can just take in and take out the hard drive, like the Xbox 360. I don't want to go through the trouble like what you have to do with PS3 to get more memory. So, should I go with SD card or hard drive?

External Hard drive over USB. You'll probably get near the USB 2.0 bandwith limit with a hard drive.

If they don't have native apps then the web browser (Note: webkit based) will probably run iPlayer, Iwata said something about flash, html5 and h.264 in that web browser video which I still haven't found a translation for. Though Netflix will be a no go since it runs on Silverlight.

I'm fine with 32GB for now, in PC building there's a philosophy of buying what you need now and upgrading later rather than paying a premium for more when you are just going to grow into after a long period of time. So if you bought what you needed and then upgraded later down the line you would save more money because you would be paying less for that premium price.

That's the PC builders philosophy and seems to be nintendo's philosophy for the past 2-3 years now I guess.

Though people need to be glad that this system doesn't come with a hard drive because a certain flood last year caused prices to triple. Even though production has returned to normal, all drive makers are milking it because that flood gave them more money than ever before, and are loving the price that consumers are paying.

Reference point a 2TB drive costed £50, it now costs £85. A 500GB drive costs £55 now. Though prices of 3TB drives have pretty much returned to the price they were a year ago.

You'll grow into it, when you do that's when you'll need the space if you have the premium version. So for the 8GB version,you need an external drive.